tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-65921535074679920762024-03-17T20:00:54.558-07:00AK'S Genealogy ResearchI am using this blog to record my genealogy research progress. My research at this point is concentrated in Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania records. Since many of my ancestors ended up in the Midwest and West my research sometimes takes me in that direction. I also research Irish records.Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.comBlogger483125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-6952077673189222382024-03-16T11:57:00.000-07:002024-03-16T11:59:29.588-07:00Why A Chromosome Browser Is Necessary To Prove Distant Ancestry<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgthM2LCgJqQOdItQM-HF1UsnGDLqFQ55WTyse8yp3YAhaYSTYhyphenhyphenAHrKj3VMgTPuPN4Rp_yGlGbtkWzbdiASHhWeWFSWqj7NR8AcSe9WZJyLQX8yd_zNywKP_r0cYYyZmET0FWG0-G-0u3enbRSYk4KLdiqDg2dxK-G-Z463uKZhGcSitIzFrLt-Yl4uzB0/s830/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20110815%20grandfather%20fan%20chart.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="762" data-original-width="830" height="368" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgthM2LCgJqQOdItQM-HF1UsnGDLqFQ55WTyse8yp3YAhaYSTYhyphenhyphenAHrKj3VMgTPuPN4Rp_yGlGbtkWzbdiASHhWeWFSWqj7NR8AcSe9WZJyLQX8yd_zNywKP_r0cYYyZmET0FWG0-G-0u3enbRSYk4KLdiqDg2dxK-G-Z463uKZhGcSitIzFrLt-Yl4uzB0/w400-h368/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20110815%20grandfather%20fan%20chart.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">My mother's father's fan chart showing the problem lines</td></tr></tbody></table><p><br /></p><p>I'll outline my problem and why the lack of a chromosome browser prevents me from confirming, or disproving a theory. My brickwall is on the line of a 3rd great-grandmother. I'm using my mother's test, at Ancestry, to try to find her parents, with no documentation other than a couple census records from her children stating she was born in Tennessee. </p><p>My 3rd great-grandmother's name was Sarah or Sally Campbell, she married in Indiana. She died young, and before the 1850 Census, so I don't have any information about her place of birth from a census when she was living. There was only one Campbell neighbor named James Trigg Campbell. There isn't much on him either. I assume they are somehow related? </p><p>Using my mother's DNA test at Ancestry the only Campbell matches that are promising descend from George Lafayette Campbell. My mother has a number of matches from his line. He wouldn't be the father of Sarah Campbell but could be a cousin? Researching his family and possible parents has gotten me nowhere. Not many records were kept in Tennessee in that time period. </p><p>Below is a chart with some of the matches my mother has with descendants of George Lafayette Campbell, and the cMs my mother shares with them</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_y03ubG2JFWkLLYd-R9IIewkfQ1NIgsyTrzXW_mwYSncgsXkQHuZEj8D3bosolpZbkxMlidoL8JvuJDWkKsVQh9edoZynpA1o9LPcfMtanZw5v4e5MwimV0ksA4J_j6PXfjYR8sicCKOi9nIADzmOjHxskz4RS2rcINCCFRv0QBtGRR80T38FCkDWDMEG/s992/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20094559%20lucid%20chart.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="642" data-original-width="992" height="259" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_y03ubG2JFWkLLYd-R9IIewkfQ1NIgsyTrzXW_mwYSncgsXkQHuZEj8D3bosolpZbkxMlidoL8JvuJDWkKsVQh9edoZynpA1o9LPcfMtanZw5v4e5MwimV0ksA4J_j6PXfjYR8sicCKOi9nIADzmOjHxskz4RS2rcINCCFRv0QBtGRR80T38FCkDWDMEG/w400-h259/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20094559%20lucid%20chart.png" width="400" /></a></div><p>George Lafayette Campbell lived in Greene County, Tennessee. Tennessee is where Sarah's children said she was from. It would seem like I have found the right Campbell family for Sarah Campbell. The problem is my mother has another family line from Greene County, TN. </p><p>Below you see photos of William Wray Forgey, Isis Browning his wife, and Elizabeth Wray his mother. Elizabeth Wray's mother was Sarah Campbell, our brickwall. Isis Browning, Elizabeth Wray's daughter-in-law, also had family from Greene County, Tennessee. Isis Browning's grandfather Nathan was born in Tennessee. His father Roger Browning migrated to Tennessee sometime in the late 1700s, and settled in Greene County, Tennessee. His son Nathan migrated to Jackson County, Indiana. It appears there was a migration pattern from that part of Tennessee to Jackson County, Indiana where most of my grandfather's family lived. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdpNOYKa1sdeLbxk4IwNPS2CCtZt6RHIAsCL4ShysfdTUw4tqahdeWNnW4kL3fYpMu0A9QIAdg7khXVEO4B3-x_J4SdIdlTXAWSssXkjjunZ3SPOdIJwR77R6uCVonDZwgQGieZG4WjbYxZ0alOZx-FmXf2iAqS5n-ehKLSjNGkdfX3ShWbzQSr-hLwSoI/s1326/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20105330%20forgey%20browning%20wray.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="747" data-original-width="1326" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdpNOYKa1sdeLbxk4IwNPS2CCtZt6RHIAsCL4ShysfdTUw4tqahdeWNnW4kL3fYpMu0A9QIAdg7khXVEO4B3-x_J4SdIdlTXAWSssXkjjunZ3SPOdIJwR77R6uCVonDZwgQGieZG4WjbYxZ0alOZx-FmXf2iAqS5n-ehKLSjNGkdfX3ShWbzQSr-hLwSoI/s320/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20105330%20forgey%20browning%20wray.png" width="320" /></a></div><p>What is my problem? My problem arose when I discovered one of the George Lafayette Campbell matches also was related to the Browning family. Other matches don't appear to be? The theory that we are related to the matches through Campbell could still be correct. </p><p>Precise segment data would help me build out my segment map. My mother has 3rd cousin matches with Browning descendants. The only way to be sure all of these matches match through Campbell would be to make sure they don't overlap with the Browning matches or any other family line matches. Actually I don't know who Nathan Browning's mother was so we could be related to this family through his mother? Or one of Roger Browning's children could have had a non paternity event? So we may not be related through Campbell at all. The only way to be sure of anything, when it comes to more distant matches, is to have a good chromosome map. You would then be able to clearly see if theoretical matches overlap with the correct segments.</p><p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfGEm1TU1snFxNw0Ph26F6YDsKluHgf9RqIzbbEdR2-h8HIRlLiEOcPAcJNeq0cKrPSgm6jHgdyP0i56fIH7TDGtDkO7hEtFa1JaDgsHhhBED74MCV5pUYJ0_hqaX1IgPqcIoYv-tuUwMaPPoemfBUEE6RHUVlMnRDuTRRr3RPKphw_a8zhtzOQcCl_H1L/s1267/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20103016.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="698" data-original-width="1267" height="220" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfGEm1TU1snFxNw0Ph26F6YDsKluHgf9RqIzbbEdR2-h8HIRlLiEOcPAcJNeq0cKrPSgm6jHgdyP0i56fIH7TDGtDkO7hEtFa1JaDgsHhhBED74MCV5pUYJ0_hqaX1IgPqcIoYv-tuUwMaPPoemfBUEE6RHUVlMnRDuTRRr3RPKphw_a8zhtzOQcCl_H1L/w400-h220/Screenshot%202024-03-16%20103016.png" width="400" /></a></p><p>A chromosome map, built with strong 2nd and 3rd cousin matches, is the best way to confirm a relationship. Above you can see my mother's chromosome map, with many 2nd and 3rd cousin matches. I could even add more segments if AncestryDNA provided this data. Ancestry has the largest database which would make it the best company to build out a chromosome map with. There aren't many records surviving from the early 19th century in many places. To use DNA where records don't survive the best way is to build a good chromosome chart. You can't verify distant relationships based on names alone on a family tree because we don't know if there are NPEs? We don't know if there are other relationships? Therefore, I can't be sure I've found, at AncestryDNA, the correct Campbells. </p>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-72231444743151067832024-03-04T12:02:00.000-08:002024-03-04T12:09:15.501-08:00The Best of RootsTech 2024/from my online experience<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkSGnqej1KqJvbFehDPsBsyvLFxQFshUfyJiP5Xndd-ziGCGVMHqB9CKIkymh9NJk7Ry8ZCOU6dLLTxzmpV3M7a3dQF7nrkD9JouGSh-NAyF-8lQm3YpYWFe5nxb9j2i9MTZfW7OWbq2E9NXaGlDtbHnhcU3g2leLvQFgybH1FOqs_c_cLVoD4xZcxNeH-/s548/Screenshot%202024-03-04%20120726.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="371" data-original-width="548" height="271" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkSGnqej1KqJvbFehDPsBsyvLFxQFshUfyJiP5Xndd-ziGCGVMHqB9CKIkymh9NJk7Ry8ZCOU6dLLTxzmpV3M7a3dQF7nrkD9JouGSh-NAyF-8lQm3YpYWFe5nxb9j2i9MTZfW7OWbq2E9NXaGlDtbHnhcU3g2leLvQFgybH1FOqs_c_cLVoD4xZcxNeH-/w400-h271/Screenshot%202024-03-04%20120726.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>I didn't attend RootsTech 2024 in person, I streamed many classes live, and watched some later. I chose what I watched based on the projects I'm currently working on. Lately I've been working with deeds, photos, and my DNA results. I don't have as much time to work on my family history as I had in the past so I'm also interested in AI, and how it can save me time. </div><div><br /></div><div>I heard that a favorite presentation on AI was an in person class presented by Steve Little. I looked for a Youtube video he may have presented on the subject to get an idea of what he presented at RootsTech. I found a presentation on Youtube he gave in 2023, which was very good! It's called <a href="https://youtu.be/npQaRJbzE1s?si=yv34tP6l_YVTyAli">"Empowering Genealogists with Artificial Intelligence 6 September 2023"</a> on YouTube. </div><div><br /></div><b>The best announcements at RootsTech 2024:</b><div><ul style="text-align: left;"><li>The new Experimental Full Text search at FamilySearch</li><li>Ancestry is going to allow you to view the shared cMs that your shared matches share with each other</li><li>MyHeritage has a new Newspaper site called "Old News" which it introduced at Rootstech</li><li>Recognize Ancestors is coming to Ancestry.com which will search their database of photos for possible matches to an unknown person in a photo</li><li>New and expanded ethnicity estimates will be coming to MyHeritage this summer</li></ul><div><b> My Favorite RootsTech 2024 presentations:</b><div><ul><li>You Can DO the DNA #1–Get Started (or Restarted) Diahan Southard</li><li>FamilySearch Tech Forum Craig Miller Michelle Barber Todd Powell Sarah Hammon Bill Mangum</li><li>AI and Genealogy: Trouble Ahead? Thomas MacEntee</li><li>Brick Wall Ancestors Need a Search Party Diahan Southard Janet Hovorka Crista Cowan</li><li>You Can DO the DNA #2–Get Your Best Ethnicity Estimate Diahan Southard</li><li>You Can DO the DNA #3–Light Your DNA Match List on Fire! Diahan Southard</li><li>Brick Walls! Real? or Created Through Faulty Research? Barbara Vines Little</li><li>You Can DO the DNA #4–See What DNA Success Looks Like: Real Case Studies Diahan Southard</li><li>Diseases our Ancestors Faced and How Those Illnesses Changed Our World Gregory C. Gardner</li><li>Finding Milly: Tracing enslaved ancestors using Experimental Search Andre Kearns </li><li>What’s New at Ancestry® in 2024 Crista Cowan</li></ul><div>I thought RootsTech 2024 was one of the best. There was more tech because of AI than in previous years. The shorter presentations, that were presented as a result of the COVID pandemic, weren't as detailed. The hour-long presentations were much better. The presentations I listed above will continue to be available to watch at the <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/en/rootstech/">RootsTech site</a>. </div></div></div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-523425961097142962024-03-01T14:52:00.000-08:002024-03-01T17:34:26.660-08:00The Experimental Search Is Back at FamilySearch! /How I use it to find everyone living on the same creek<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjE8BpZsXIbMmUnSGZstnSNSYuheWdWkkwQwLyzkFCo3jlh59kcg0PNFfE1qF7ETwmb5gSDGsHCIXZY-CGYUC0yvVCDWaJpsZizphcn1IwGgIrkouutv1PgRrhbiCXzxfJvTwGsR0zWjjzNOwJWF7t4TH8D-XfXpqncI7nTXUSYoNYz4VPXBwXRFeYCQYrG/s1866/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20134922%20new%20search%20page.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="812" data-original-width="1866" height="185" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjE8BpZsXIbMmUnSGZstnSNSYuheWdWkkwQwLyzkFCo3jlh59kcg0PNFfE1qF7ETwmb5gSDGsHCIXZY-CGYUC0yvVCDWaJpsZizphcn1IwGgIrkouutv1PgRrhbiCXzxfJvTwGsR0zWjjzNOwJWF7t4TH8D-XfXpqncI7nTXUSYoNYz4VPXBwXRFeYCQYrG/w425-h185/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20134922%20new%20search%20page.png" width="425" /></a></div><p><br /></p><p>Last July I wrote about the <a href="https://annettekapple.blogspot.com/2023/07/my-wish-has-come-true-for-every-name.html">Experimental Search at FamilySearch</a>, soon after that it no longer allowed non beta testers to use it. They have now opened it up for everyone again as announced at <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/en/rootstech/?lang=eng">RootsTech 2024</a>! It may not always be available to search as they stated. I'm definitely downloading everything I find. </p><p>Right now the only US documents available for this every word search are online probate, deed records, and plantation records. Some are viewable from home, while others require you to view them at a Family History Center or Library. </p><p>This is what the Experimental Search page looked like:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkK-5Oun-HsDL_y-lyN5fLU8_UEjcPkJpp0TV411-sI2r1DpPeoY9A0bOXq73fm5OqSbfnjTDmdGx_3bbYHJYyPWCFNG3SbJMFcSpYjQkkfZFkt65e-s98ubkBhlwbnb78G5sGgX9_OTssouV8Xigx4SXjGkUFYdfZBHA8zQLu87JB6CdOqDUQRuxufR3H/s1566/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20072912%20Old%20Experimental%20search%20page%20looked%20like.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="860" data-original-width="1566" height="218" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkK-5Oun-HsDL_y-lyN5fLU8_UEjcPkJpp0TV411-sI2r1DpPeoY9A0bOXq73fm5OqSbfnjTDmdGx_3bbYHJYyPWCFNG3SbJMFcSpYjQkkfZFkt65e-s98ubkBhlwbnb78G5sGgX9_OTssouV8Xigx4SXjGkUFYdfZBHA8zQLu87JB6CdOqDUQRuxufR3H/w396-h218/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20072912%20Old%20Experimental%20search%20page%20looked%20like.jpg" width="396" /></a></div><br /><p>You'll find the new improved Experimental Search by clicking on FamilySearch Labs View Experiments (had to clear cookies to get to the new search because I had used the old one). </p><p>This is where I found the link on my laptop. The link is on the FamilySearch homepage in the right column, on my laptop. I highlighted below where I found it.</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtXn4iJh1Wxz3uLC1cI1-1DHdmSv4TsjHSy9CnJ4nv-2PTano2mGB4O1QRRoHNTkOrjNcbojLkvE1ZWgVlYyOm6txRw0CJnsVaqj2hK_1ywFqo_ZVsV8534GBZwmPB6Qzp3gTaOwf-5OvfIh34rqKKnOBloS-zMOWx-CoquQc5wipmTaSayF2UjJjz0-HL/s572/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20095433%20highlighted.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="572" data-original-width="451" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtXn4iJh1Wxz3uLC1cI1-1DHdmSv4TsjHSy9CnJ4nv-2PTano2mGB4O1QRRoHNTkOrjNcbojLkvE1ZWgVlYyOm6txRw0CJnsVaqj2hK_1ywFqo_ZVsV8534GBZwmPB6Qzp3gTaOwf-5OvfIh34rqKKnOBloS-zMOWx-CoquQc5wipmTaSayF2UjJjz0-HL/s320/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20095433%20highlighted.png" width="252" /></a></div><p>Then you're taken to a page where you click "Expand your search with Full Text", </p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhuxuYikNHOpBPOgFRrCeXTi3VtycSK19cl2ALqhtq9PFkOk2VLKV6FXlj-bZXQgDm_vQ_g0a8kXzsEo7Y0msvQxP22acGDbxM9Ctx3m9gmIa54VcqOksB7ZePT9gxaOZW2YI7P8Hhl0K7l59XNDHUqQy3uP5XSUw1GIhx4a8TR354a8nBFspKh_BL9G83C/s1805/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20095827%20second%20part.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="677" data-original-width="1805" height="205" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhuxuYikNHOpBPOgFRrCeXTi3VtycSK19cl2ALqhtq9PFkOk2VLKV6FXlj-bZXQgDm_vQ_g0a8kXzsEo7Y0msvQxP22acGDbxM9Ctx3m9gmIa54VcqOksB7ZePT9gxaOZW2YI7P8Hhl0K7l59XNDHUqQy3uP5XSUw1GIhx4a8TR354a8nBFspKh_BL9G83C/w547-h205/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20095827%20second%20part.png" width="547" /></a></div><br /><p>I've used this search to find people using names, but at this point in my research searching for deeds using a creek name or landmark has been more useful. Researching people who lived on the same creek can help you find possible relatives also living in the same area. It's also helpful in collecting neighbors' names. Those names might be useful when it comes to migration patterns. </p><p>Since I have not had access to the Experimental Search since July I have not been able to look for a new family creek location. I discovered I had the wrong creek location for my ancestor Moses Wray. I thought he lived on Maggoty Creek in Boones Mills, Franklin County, Virginia. No, he lived on a branch of that creek called White Oak Creek or White Oak Bottom Creek. When I asked about where the Wray land was when I visited the area around Maggoty Creek no one knew? If I asked around White Oak Creek they probably would have told me approximately where the Wrays lived. I'm hoping researching and plotting deeds will help me locate the precise location of the Wray land. </p><p>After listening to a Legacy Webinar I decided to start plotting deeds again.</p><p>I've been using <a href="https://www.tabberer.com/sandyknoll/more/metesandbounds/metes.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAloavBhBOEiwAbtAJO6Gs3yERy0mPS42n8qLMl9t5LB2rgZJPlsgqV85JCYw4IBBXo_jxpRoCx24QAvD_BwE">Sandy Knoll's Metes and Bounds Software</a> to plot the deeds I have for my Wray ancestors on White Oak Creek. I've come up with many different geometric shapes. Moses Wray left portions of his land to his sons. I've been plotting those surveys. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzhI8FIbwwMTX2kZuQxEH28r7pryIKDl9HyWGyKpRFYYa9kepEnUp8EMnTtBuM_HJbk-n4sMlQm9WWzOVSQhD4h7xwnpX1KPyK2FMQB83Q2MSuOL40VS_yyWnVjnryAChc8i76RGY5Pp266D8zGBRCGP9E0swL5d-n8Fj6fpz6ox6XlkI1iLJg6oRp4lKg/s1814/Two%20brother's%20portions.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="760" data-original-width="1814" height="168" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgzhI8FIbwwMTX2kZuQxEH28r7pryIKDl9HyWGyKpRFYYa9kepEnUp8EMnTtBuM_HJbk-n4sMlQm9WWzOVSQhD4h7xwnpX1KPyK2FMQB83Q2MSuOL40VS_yyWnVjnryAChc8i76RGY5Pp266D8zGBRCGP9E0swL5d-n8Fj6fpz6ox6XlkI1iLJg6oRp4lKg/w400-h168/Two%20brother's%20portions.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Here is a survey I created for one piece of their father, my ancestor, Moses Wray's land. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwpDVgfoPfstdZszxjPTJwRzouXSwv5R-rxgrvMGxRIdJ4y01K3WwCUXOgj_xOLWym6Ng0m9fwL2VO1jbzqb2ycyfrcRhJByDpHIq8GslrLN91cLWMrGGoJqKj_Qof-jrVqZqh6lB4QC3kno_p9DPfLvwnOSrPF7Z7B8kkMbjoeKBGc1EujgVJrJkHUHmW/s756/New%20Picture%20Moses%20Wray%20survey.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="756" data-original-width="576" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwpDVgfoPfstdZszxjPTJwRzouXSwv5R-rxgrvMGxRIdJ4y01K3WwCUXOgj_xOLWym6Ng0m9fwL2VO1jbzqb2ycyfrcRhJByDpHIq8GslrLN91cLWMrGGoJqKj_Qof-jrVqZqh6lB4QC3kno_p9DPfLvwnOSrPF7Z7B8kkMbjoeKBGc1EujgVJrJkHUHmW/s320/New%20Picture%20Moses%20Wray%20survey.jpg" width="244" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">One of my questions is where exactly on the White Oak Bottom Creek did the family live? </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Using the deeds I'm now collecting I'm sifting through them for clues to where I might find the land on a map. I might also be able to get enough information to trace land ownership to the present time so I can use a county assessor's map. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">The Franklin County Settlement map has a location called White Oak Bottom, but not creek, near the Blue Ridge mountains. Moses Ray is listed farther south. Going through a current parcel map for Franklin County online I found a man with the last name Wray is living on White Oak Creek road. His land is farther south than on the Settlement Map. So was the Wray land on the creek near the Blue Ridge mountains of farther south? What area does White Oak Creek Bottom encompass? </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJ_CZ5vSK0dj-nlUGDNlH9vifjKawMQISQx0vDa_el8d-te7r6JWD9uykVzSGAMSgdo4_eIPvSimYdAl7ksQYWGUwPLte3MdZJ0HXO2eVP6TsSggXoIBOz4zLRnKaSyp_d_fhrwGARaB-t_jiLN7tJ7JbRMn_h04g2AODoAletEzOcB5C12yNHjj3JiWXm/s1513/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20113456%20Moses%20Wray%20settlement%20map.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="735" data-original-width="1513" height="194" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJ_CZ5vSK0dj-nlUGDNlH9vifjKawMQISQx0vDa_el8d-te7r6JWD9uykVzSGAMSgdo4_eIPvSimYdAl7ksQYWGUwPLte3MdZJ0HXO2eVP6TsSggXoIBOz4zLRnKaSyp_d_fhrwGARaB-t_jiLN7tJ7JbRMn_h04g2AODoAletEzOcB5C12yNHjj3JiWXm/w400-h194/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20113456%20Moses%20Wray%20settlement%20map.png" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>I wondered if the Wray man was living on old Wray property. Doing some research it looks like he inherited land from his mother. His mother's family lived in the area for many generations just like the Ray family. This Wray man is a distant cousin of mine. I have not been in contact with him. <div><br /></div><div>I was paging through the books looking for people living on White Oak Creek, but that is very slow. Using the Experimental Search I've found a number of deeds for people on White Oak Creek. </div><div><p>I found deeds for the family of my Wray cousin's mother's family on White Oak Creek Bottom. Measuring the distance from that land to the names on the Franklin County Settlement map their land is about two miles from White Oak Creek Bottom, and Moses Ray's land on the map. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhB-ayx-NwNf4CDLO0Y2sW68VtCJkBV47AmVyIqpXo-Z99bSKdW8Ml_RY8AxGZMGb8dItUp4CD2ZGt0Up_UnYFhf8nVHZzwpKfhaCE3holXEvbIvjAwLOIUlxmOqGV3qC2kysDxe83oDXV7FICfLF-EPYP4yJE8Adh-3tTYQeg0T26A91LbcQiptLUBxgid/s1755/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20121916.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="766" data-original-width="1755" height="175" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhB-ayx-NwNf4CDLO0Y2sW68VtCJkBV47AmVyIqpXo-Z99bSKdW8Ml_RY8AxGZMGb8dItUp4CD2ZGt0Up_UnYFhf8nVHZzwpKfhaCE3holXEvbIvjAwLOIUlxmOqGV3qC2kysDxe83oDXV7FICfLF-EPYP4yJE8Adh-3tTYQeg0T26A91LbcQiptLUBxgid/w400-h175/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20121916.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>You can see the Wray man's land outlined in blue below. You can see where it is in relation to the northern county boundary. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEheHSS0hwIL5AtFBj_K5CV8CxH1aceyrcoSXgLiz9cS4K9SRBmctbZeMEsUKiq9RbxiXF_cudTeld9Fe6kPwWJN-jRmRsaN730rxguCFPpxagS_apzxslbBhZngHTR-SBULvBkyZRDQJOBV-Ad2CPnm38_iL4suJpuvNL9KKfo8P6qbHetj1ch9-gAIzgHE/s1307/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20123108.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="695" data-original-width="1307" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEheHSS0hwIL5AtFBj_K5CV8CxH1aceyrcoSXgLiz9cS4K9SRBmctbZeMEsUKiq9RbxiXF_cudTeld9Fe6kPwWJN-jRmRsaN730rxguCFPpxagS_apzxslbBhZngHTR-SBULvBkyZRDQJOBV-Ad2CPnm38_iL4suJpuvNL9KKfo8P6qbHetj1ch9-gAIzgHE/w400-h213/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20123108.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>Yesterday I collected some of his ancestor's deeds. The deeds say his ancestor's land was on White Oak Bottom Creek. I was not sure if White Oak Bottom Creek was just the name of the bottom portion of the creek or the name of the actual creek. It appears the entire length of the creek may have been called White Oak Bottom.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Wray man's maternal ancestor bought land on White Oak Creek in 1864. It appears to be the same land the family inherited. It also appears my Wray family land bordered the land of the Boitnott neighbors. They are not recorded as sharing a property line with this Boitnott family, but are with their neighbors. So they likely lived in that same area. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghYXypgiKJ3VniAU_hmZYXWx1PcVdg6JNk3TIzAI971kMSHIAMzF5YRlBxwXcpJSE5-Mf8lIUuvakg4Qr1aOzj0g7E_xSh1XCaHJMt-EwfkVCS3WaSTdXlQvy8oV9bqst3wl9vg69dDel3Bi9zRdO5ZpvfhDvH6AZUSsPE-Evh-kT5JMjOeC5Z4w2a6dr5/s1871/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20132358%20White%20oak%20bottom%20creek%20result.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="867" data-original-width="1871" height="185" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghYXypgiKJ3VniAU_hmZYXWx1PcVdg6JNk3TIzAI971kMSHIAMzF5YRlBxwXcpJSE5-Mf8lIUuvakg4Qr1aOzj0g7E_xSh1XCaHJMt-EwfkVCS3WaSTdXlQvy8oV9bqst3wl9vg69dDel3Bi9zRdO5ZpvfhDvH6AZUSsPE-Evh-kT5JMjOeC5Z4w2a6dr5/w400-h185/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20132358%20White%20oak%20bottom%20creek%20result.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>I'm planning to continue to sift through all of the deeds recording the names of people living on the creek, plotting the deed surveys, and looking at clues in the deeds regarding land locations. One of a neighbor's deeds states his land was near a place called Mead Mill. Since Franklin County was carved out of many counties I need to research the same land in parent counties. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiPanTL5hI2vscp1FUoVF_9FxSeAQj1GKuLJ61d7Lzn-krS-JcdZYVpdXBrzMwt0ujK_lssg-6QF31PtrtK0a1o5Fo9sdQyuq3NanKoWU7xwdgja-yHy3kgGrBq_XYLRvNTgQkv05PMgrNOjR093eiLStsZkYSTZDhN17LkaLAbZyc8wXXhKxDOBJW6GrFm/s1860/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20133249%20shared%20neighbors.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="762" data-original-width="1860" height="164" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiPanTL5hI2vscp1FUoVF_9FxSeAQj1GKuLJ61d7Lzn-krS-JcdZYVpdXBrzMwt0ujK_lssg-6QF31PtrtK0a1o5Fo9sdQyuq3NanKoWU7xwdgja-yHy3kgGrBq_XYLRvNTgQkv05PMgrNOjR093eiLStsZkYSTZDhN17LkaLAbZyc8wXXhKxDOBJW6GrFm/w400-h164/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20133249%20shared%20neighbors.png" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I used "White Oak Bottom Creek" as the keywords when I searched. I then filtered the results for Virginia, by first clicking place as the United States, then clicking Virginia, and then Franklin County. Doing that I got 17 deed results. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqVNuKhwmy1Vk3efcJzu-OjetJcRoj4KmAVWCG_NoYpSv4oKhtkeapQeehN3DC9AI7lZwgKNo02AMAqPMo1btt3ktSUqEUQZavV6AsDHIGA01h5UCTULLVuYGSW7ukPanPt2AKSOkgNnqIhQhPjn3RU8IIPSgTloVAk2wZurE8VxtTFAdj6p8TXxa6F66H/s1726/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20130728.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="844" data-original-width="1726" height="195" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqVNuKhwmy1Vk3efcJzu-OjetJcRoj4KmAVWCG_NoYpSv4oKhtkeapQeehN3DC9AI7lZwgKNo02AMAqPMo1btt3ktSUqEUQZavV6AsDHIGA01h5UCTULLVuYGSW7ukPanPt2AKSOkgNnqIhQhPjn3RU8IIPSgTloVAk2wZurE8VxtTFAdj6p8TXxa6F66H/w400-h195/Screenshot%202024-03-01%20130728.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I will continue to sift the deeds for FAN club members (friends, associates, and neighbors) for land location clues, possible migration patterns, and family living in the same area. Experiment Search is a great time saving tool for researching deeds. Important information is buried in deeds nearly impossible to find without an every word search.</div><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div><p><br /></p></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-37439314997326228652024-02-20T14:44:00.000-08:002024-02-20T14:44:37.347-08:00AI for Summarizing and Transcribing DocumentsI listened to the Legacy Webinar, <a href="https://familytreewebinars.com/webinar/ai-and-genealogy-trouble-ahead/">"AI and Genealogy: Trouble Ahead?"</a>, presented by Thomas MacEntee. He discussed using AI to summarize and transcribe documents. I tried this out, and it's really a great time saver! <div> </div><div>One of my grandmother's, Graciela del Castillo, was Nicaraguan. There isn't much published about Nicaraguan genealogy, and what's available. I was in contact with a Nicaraguan genealogy expert back in 2015. I've been going through his emails again as I work on my grandmother's line. He sent me a dozen emails with detailed information regarding Nicaraguan research. I was planning on summarizing the information and sharing it with a group I'm involved in. After listening to the webinar I decided to use AI to do it.
Thomas MacEntee demonstrated three AI sites <a href="https://chat.openai.com/">ChatGPT</a>, <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/">Perplexity</a>, and <a href="https://gemini.google.com/app">Gemini</a>. I tried out all three sites. I love information presented in bulleted lists, and asked that the emails be summarized that way. </div><div><br /></div><div> Here is one of the emails I asked for a bullet list summary for:</div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFgZzYmP5cg3jLw1B97yA1dTIGO92D1oX13Ha1Oq4XaTJgsv3HJNXE3GVg8vQiPl3DiF0TnIEl9C3pdRbQB8_r8pGwX1ubMdcUhBw4G7AV07QUn4ISN678K3-xXufytOFwCjc58to11V8Fh_vRmWGsJHytLghSxiOHjjxRh1bmMkXRLH_vjIYjjCyOuL3s/s1748/Screenshot%202024-02-20%20135026%20summarize%20.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="702" data-original-width="1748" height="258" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFgZzYmP5cg3jLw1B97yA1dTIGO92D1oX13Ha1Oq4XaTJgsv3HJNXE3GVg8vQiPl3DiF0TnIEl9C3pdRbQB8_r8pGwX1ubMdcUhBw4G7AV07QUn4ISN678K3-xXufytOFwCjc58to11V8Fh_vRmWGsJHytLghSxiOHjjxRh1bmMkXRLH_vjIYjjCyOuL3s/w640-h258/Screenshot%202024-02-20%20135026%20summarize%20.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both;">Here is what the three AI companies came up with: </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhxyhIIogCk55uAhiiecwYeHDo3Uhjl1BAOR0Bqqi2rgWyg6Gwn8LXUHUJk6UGCAdKtICZzxq9E5csHQX7XkSnx2m8YDZvUKqTUB32h_K33MZGrpftQxnPXR2YqFdzuLtN1m2U0yfdvNtvE72XaiGfMnbJdMI2WAPr_VCAa1sP3l2zUvfNlsG6RyG5YxAIL/s1346/Screenshot%202024-02-20%20135419%20three%20sites.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="810" data-original-width="1346" height="315" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhxyhIIogCk55uAhiiecwYeHDo3Uhjl1BAOR0Bqqi2rgWyg6Gwn8LXUHUJk6UGCAdKtICZzxq9E5csHQX7XkSnx2m8YDZvUKqTUB32h_K33MZGrpftQxnPXR2YqFdzuLtN1m2U0yfdvNtvE72XaiGfMnbJdMI2WAPr_VCAa1sP3l2zUvfNlsG6RyG5YxAIL/w522-h315/Screenshot%202024-02-20%20135419%20three%20sites.png" width="522" /></a></div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/">Perplexity</a> came up with the most detailed summary. <a href="https://chat.openai.com/">ChatGPT</a> was in-between as far as details. <a href="https://gemini.google.com/app">Gemini</a> provided the shortest summary. I like that <a href="https://gemini.google.com/app">Gemini</a> provided an introduction in bold script (also liked being able to save the answers to my Google Docs). </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;">I decided to ask <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/">Perplexity</a> and <a href="https://chat.openai.com/">ChatGPT</a> to provide a bold introduction to each bullet point. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;">This is what <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/">Perplexity</a> came up with:</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi-SGszPQ7qGk4YSqZboRxXSoawIpb40J5ygqaLTs7zucE_DreDWfpyU3IP8tkrUBT2B2EFRqRnWoIP-Y0YBFo2xYcpmrto0tY9ljllxor_ImxbN6_Ykr4Sk5pSOCK-Pny6rPAGhII2IVHgr4-E2o2sR7CtL33U-1z2uUyzaVLenpFnRe9AHqsPH7Htk2zU/s896/428619767_10231640058574795_8229310965383726617_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="652" data-original-width="896" height="291" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi-SGszPQ7qGk4YSqZboRxXSoawIpb40J5ygqaLTs7zucE_DreDWfpyU3IP8tkrUBT2B2EFRqRnWoIP-Y0YBFo2xYcpmrto0tY9ljllxor_ImxbN6_Ykr4Sk5pSOCK-Pny6rPAGhII2IVHgr4-E2o2sR7CtL33U-1z2uUyzaVLenpFnRe9AHqsPH7Htk2zU/w400-h291/428619767_10231640058574795_8229310965383726617_n.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">This is what <a href="https://chat.openai.com/">ChatGPT</a> came up with:</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggytvC78gdxIIt6tvMqqQkrJPQqqsEq6CX2ifd-nCpkSl83zZidKBTtpBFH0g9fdycAK0kj5j47oGyOmZuVzGrnggZH559Ag_KTxOE_55nmRk65cynroRdVv9R_bA9PE3SwCeaRLtmLNyNmqqaJ6PB9JGLMUJOQBEyznthd_Fqn4TMCH1JVNfZ7h8QR_WM/s1245/428619114_10231640011973630_4512198367732014205_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="737" data-original-width="1245" height="236" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggytvC78gdxIIt6tvMqqQkrJPQqqsEq6CX2ifd-nCpkSl83zZidKBTtpBFH0g9fdycAK0kj5j47oGyOmZuVzGrnggZH559Ag_KTxOE_55nmRk65cynroRdVv9R_bA9PE3SwCeaRLtmLNyNmqqaJ6PB9JGLMUJOQBEyznthd_Fqn4TMCH1JVNfZ7h8QR_WM/w400-h236/428619114_10231640011973630_4512198367732014205_n.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><a href="https://chat.openai.com/">ChatGPT</a> didn't provide an introduction for each bullet point, as I asked. I like what they came up with anyway. <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/">Perplexity</a> did exactly what I asked. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I was about to get a pen and paper ready to start summarizing these emails. I'm glad I listened to the webinar first! I'm sure these summaries are better than what I would have come up with. </div><br /> </div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-52517635419980080092024-02-13T15:09:00.000-08:002024-02-13T15:09:50.960-08:00A Couple Family Valentines<p> </p><p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFK6DQXlrVM3ATxusGNevF0mXsLzJuQlsNgKEPYPbf3vPVdZ3F2rtG0ayJ1HNWn8RiBl3jjip_7B1Rlsp7gAi8nAtzrk8C1I4rflVjTtaK7J_ZLewmM76g5qGcOEjai7QAsESVrB74BQN_GNs131JXIfH3itGZcpJhCICDKkYwpoM7niymq7f-dBVuZPpH/s502/1461348_10202509903219117_864253342_n~2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="389" data-original-width="502" height="248" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFK6DQXlrVM3ATxusGNevF0mXsLzJuQlsNgKEPYPbf3vPVdZ3F2rtG0ayJ1HNWn8RiBl3jjip_7B1Rlsp7gAi8nAtzrk8C1I4rflVjTtaK7J_ZLewmM76g5qGcOEjai7QAsESVrB74BQN_GNs131JXIfH3itGZcpJhCICDKkYwpoM7niymq7f-dBVuZPpH/s320/1461348_10202509903219117_864253342_n~2.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">The only photo I have of my parents when they were dating in 1962</td></tr></tbody></table><br />Going through old boxes I found some old Valentines.</p><p>This one below was from my father, Bob, to my mother, Edna, when they were dating in 1962. The front is made of padded cloth. The verse is very romantic! </p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7s_HuLSMYMKhLy7Zd8utIHSWZz-H39C2DOwcTSe02CS-FRautsDzIsNIZKcT_830RAB5PuPkBoA3Sz9DhZIMgxeoh-MUsk11VlKzk-gnQwkyhjmrO1rctAWfFRdlWnTepmskMetC8SzoNYA2_JcdTywcwRYMkXYesBJ3O7b_0gpGvsBweaL5SeU7l_VED/s2222/PXL_20240213_213416962.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2222" data-original-width="1577" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7s_HuLSMYMKhLy7Zd8utIHSWZz-H39C2DOwcTSe02CS-FRautsDzIsNIZKcT_830RAB5PuPkBoA3Sz9DhZIMgxeoh-MUsk11VlKzk-gnQwkyhjmrO1rctAWfFRdlWnTepmskMetC8SzoNYA2_JcdTywcwRYMkXYesBJ3O7b_0gpGvsBweaL5SeU7l_VED/w284-h400/PXL_20240213_213416962.jpg" width="284" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg50XWNBFD4NWIBQYWZDbxj-etk8mK1U_MFB_2c7HXvry3-DrDmxPtYnnEn4QpaMlq0qV0mzn6RFQWsjMg_2PQuYuo8HIUSpnvqHwpc8AGOWvWpO6uEzCxUDbJjy5yUyo_8FlIgCI4qPBjUYZq71vFwQOylkYuiXm0AN1s3_mtX10qayw-dwM3SOyu426W1/s2751/PXL_20240213_213446477%20(1).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2268" data-original-width="2751" height="528" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg50XWNBFD4NWIBQYWZDbxj-etk8mK1U_MFB_2c7HXvry3-DrDmxPtYnnEn4QpaMlq0qV0mzn6RFQWsjMg_2PQuYuo8HIUSpnvqHwpc8AGOWvWpO6uEzCxUDbJjy5yUyo_8FlIgCI4qPBjUYZq71vFwQOylkYuiXm0AN1s3_mtX10qayw-dwM3SOyu426W1/w640-h528/PXL_20240213_213446477%20(1).jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Another family Valentine I found has velvet on the front. Probably 50 some years old? </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNE3StRmfxzsVEdEq9ABwgDIwFbJR-nqV62GoqP9Qgke6BFfZpJ3PhMHm9lSFMt0xG8pU4morxtriODvYm9O-vmc7KitFBTRHMUKpDMyML5giiNXMQ7JoDkPhHUquf6ULDMCefkD_Q7H8nj7OJanIxTOZh9GBRM0WkihrieXtEUlJTg6U3f7OzZvCixZLC/s2268/PXL_20240213_213919226.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2268" data-original-width="1998" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNE3StRmfxzsVEdEq9ABwgDIwFbJR-nqV62GoqP9Qgke6BFfZpJ3PhMHm9lSFMt0xG8pU4morxtriODvYm9O-vmc7KitFBTRHMUKpDMyML5giiNXMQ7JoDkPhHUquf6ULDMCefkD_Q7H8nj7OJanIxTOZh9GBRM0WkihrieXtEUlJTg6U3f7OzZvCixZLC/s320/PXL_20240213_213919226.jpg" width="282" /></a></div><h3 style="text-align: center;"></h3><h2><br /></h2><h2 style="text-align: center;">Happy Valentines Day!</h2>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-1613979143871289022024-02-08T16:06:00.000-08:002024-02-08T16:06:18.223-08:00Automating the Genealogy Process to Save TimeUnless you enjoy spending long hours in front of a screen, automating genealogy tasks can free you from long hours analyzing DNA results, writing reports, and looking through your work for errors. There are people who work 40 hours, and more, a week who would benefit from more genealogy task automation. <div><br /></div><div>I really got to thinking about time saving tools after listening to a couple of great webinars at Legacy Webinars. <a href="https://familytreewebinars.com/webinar/explore-uncharted-paths-in-tracing-brick-wall-ancestors-through-dna-network-graphs/">"Explore Uncharted Paths in Tracing Brick Wall Ancestors Through DNA Network Graphs"</a> and <a href="https://familytreewebinars.com/webinar/artificial-intelligence-and-genealogy-new-beginnings-in-2024/?sortby=newest">"Artificial Intelligence and Genealogy: New Beginnings in 2024"</a> provide examples regarding how automation can save time. <div><br /></div><div>Analyzing DNA results is very time consuming due to the number of matches most of us have. Going through matches searching for shared matches is the best way to determine how we are related to someone. One method at AncestryDNA is using colored dots to sort matches into groups based on shared matching. It's easy to pick a match, click on them, and see which matches are shared in common and place color coded dots by their names. There might be a dozen shared matches. You can then click on these dozen shared matches individually and see matches you share with them. As you work through matches, and shared matches of matches, and their shared matches this gets very time consuming. Automating this process would save time. The companies could run a program to place color coded dots for shared matches or provide us with cluster charts. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbU8SI6CfU3RArVE3aahVXhleCI4HeIm-nhAZTG6gnTB4WUwoG1ZEkoI3DNvM_U3brzC-LaTU5rU8thWx5aXCiFUfKOkwAEC2p-UMzw-d4k_0ArmINoJVABhIziWAEEPToiD2n6oDbdJcyv2PwFGiK2hhdFVl1vj8IC5YQsk7aeybs_THUVAnijaYNZJtw/s1623/Screenshot%202024-02-08%20135110%20cluster%20chart.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="827" data-original-width="1623" height="204" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbU8SI6CfU3RArVE3aahVXhleCI4HeIm-nhAZTG6gnTB4WUwoG1ZEkoI3DNvM_U3brzC-LaTU5rU8thWx5aXCiFUfKOkwAEC2p-UMzw-d4k_0ArmINoJVABhIziWAEEPToiD2n6oDbdJcyv2PwFGiK2hhdFVl1vj8IC5YQsk7aeybs_THUVAnijaYNZJtw/w400-h204/Screenshot%202024-02-08%20135110%20cluster%20chart.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>MyHeritage allows their customers to generate cluster charts from their shared matches.Their charts are quite simple, but helpful. Even more detailed charts could be produced by companies. If you watch the webinar about graphs you can see all of the possibilities. </div><div><br /></div><div>Family Tree software, such as RootsMagic, produce barebones narratives using our family tree details. AI sites like chatGPT can produce more polished readable narratives based on the narratives produced using your family tree software. You need to suggest a style to chatGPT to get an end product you like. Even then you may want to edit the wording, but it's still time saving. The more readable narratives can help you find errors and make details pop out you might have missed. Producing some of these narratives I found I had information in my tree I now disagreed with. </div></div><div><br /></div><div>I liked how this narrative about my del Castillo family came out using my RootsMagic information and chatGPT here's a sample:</div><div><br /></div><div><i>"<span style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Through the centuries, through wars and revolutions, through migrations and milestones, the del Castillo family remained bound by a thread of shared history and shared destiny. Their story, etched in the annals of time, stands as a testament to the enduring power of family, love, and the human spirit."</span></i></div><div><br /></div><div>I thought that was actually appropriate for this family. Sounds a little grandiose but the family was involved in the politics of Nicaragua, one ancestor serving as president during a civil war. </div><div><br /></div><div>This Moses Wray example is a little flowery for my taste, but the fact he died at age 75 jumped out at me more than it would in a barebones narrative:</div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: white; color: #0d0d0d; font-family: Söhne, ui-sans-serif, system-ui, -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Noto Sans", sans-serif, "Helvetica Neue", Arial, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol", "Noto Color Emoji"; font-size: 16px; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><i>"By 1786, Moses Wray's name echoed through the valleys of Franklin County, Virginia, marking his claim once more. But the winds of time whispered a somber tune, and Moses passed on before the autumn leaves could paint the hills in shades of gold. He took his final breath before the 4th of October 1802, at the age of 75, leaving behind a legacy woven into the very fabric of Bedford and Franklin County."</i></span></div><div><br /></div>Ancestry is offering DNA customers an AI feature which they can use to get more information about their ethnicity predictions. It provides some background on the culture and region someone is predicted to have ancestors from. <div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDk172ginrntczN9iw9NWmC_up0moX3-o8tBb0HavdjW04xcwOV6oJoi1DekHm4KcyI5DMHq9oQbYnnd5wzzS4UzgmdVyhisb1TP7aOnSM_END_YhpOcMFFyGMCFP_ciR212yulj0TrlOWOpDhFqsfWKE_ReeXDDs38dynb_GmAhebo2bWBJBD-Yx9v1QZ/s681/Screenshot%202024-02-08%20151200%20ai%20feature.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="591" data-original-width="681" height="348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDk172ginrntczN9iw9NWmC_up0moX3-o8tBb0HavdjW04xcwOV6oJoi1DekHm4KcyI5DMHq9oQbYnnd5wzzS4UzgmdVyhisb1TP7aOnSM_END_YhpOcMFFyGMCFP_ciR212yulj0TrlOWOpDhFqsfWKE_ReeXDDs38dynb_GmAhebo2bWBJBD-Yx9v1QZ/w400-h348/Screenshot%202024-02-08%20151200%20ai%20feature.png" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div>An important use of AI is for OCR, which allows for faster indexing of records. Language translation is another very useful feature. <br /><br />I see a lot of uses for graphs and AI in helping to save time on tasks I'm not that interested in spending time on. Writing research plans, narratives, and other reports would be a good use of AI technology. I hope companies will see the advantages of new technologies and offer them to their customers. There are tools we can use right now ourselves, but other tools would have to be produced by DNA companies since we don't have access to the information to produce our own graphs of shared matches, for instance. <div> </div><div><br /></div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-78775362715974941322024-01-08T13:04:00.000-08:002024-01-08T13:20:08.373-08:00Examining Middle Names for Clues<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhY2ldWTlBRDsLa5QH2C7VZ4Z9pqTiCWKyGcIb0aFsPjE_Mj6EIiCrEafG18Noz36NEEA1rsMDlSWIup-hVxvLBdiaH4Y4yCqXnkc6MzpEOxaLXZNSgQIQfjJD7w5dfxJZxdA5QUTbeicOK5qC4AkynI_YmveLvZTr7g0xp2gf4jGJ5BHxBDWkTPCS8yvDh/s938/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20121158%20William%20Wray%20Forgey%20find%20a%20grave.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="400" data-original-width="938" height="170" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhY2ldWTlBRDsLa5QH2C7VZ4Z9pqTiCWKyGcIb0aFsPjE_Mj6EIiCrEafG18Noz36NEEA1rsMDlSWIup-hVxvLBdiaH4Y4yCqXnkc6MzpEOxaLXZNSgQIQfjJD7w5dfxJZxdA5QUTbeicOK5qC4AkynI_YmveLvZTr7g0xp2gf4jGJ5BHxBDWkTPCS8yvDh/w400-h170/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20121158%20William%20Wray%20Forgey%20find%20a%20grave.png" width="400" /></a></div><p></p><p> Early on in my genealogy research I discovered a middle name could be a mother's maiden name. My great-grandfather William Wray Forgey's middle name was his mother Elizabeth's maiden name. His aunt Polly Thurman Wray was given her paternal grandmother's maiden name as her middle name. After these early discoveries I looked at middle names very carefully for clues to their origins. </p><p>William Wray Forgey's maternal grandmother Sarah Campbell-Wray's family is a brickwall for me. We don't know who her parents were? She was born about 1812, possibly in Tennessee. According to some posted family trees her full name was Sarah Cloud O'Briant Campbell. I've been looking at these middle names to see if they might provide clues? I've looked for those names in the area of Indiana she married and lived in. Those names haven't pointed to any solution to who her parents, or even siblings were. I haven't even found the source of those middle names. </p><p>Sarah's daughters' middle names appear in a family bible and other documents. Polly Thurman Wray is confirmed to have her maternal grandmother's maiden name, but her other daughters' middle names are a mystery. One daughter was given the middle name Temple and another daughter Willington. I haven't been able to connect any of these names with my Indiana family. A son was given the name Harrison as a middle name, and that surname belonged to an uncle through marriage, on the Wray side. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhT_zwRkrnKOASGvlCRLSrpdE23ZYppu0qRlcsT6uwaeqVyaPtkEbpq3JzuuBVAve2lNFl8wTaTkgQVkomoccfYyIp_csdLUk5HiOVGRDHNVvDUgYkdn6MsNqJyCFOEgKEmb_ybtZpNwWtDWebxudmKTwyvh1utkyShfOtUfty3r8eYV1wBNtSN74BdlyNX/s1197/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20115718%20Narsisa%20Wray.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="263" data-original-width="1197" height="88" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhT_zwRkrnKOASGvlCRLSrpdE23ZYppu0qRlcsT6uwaeqVyaPtkEbpq3JzuuBVAve2lNFl8wTaTkgQVkomoccfYyIp_csdLUk5HiOVGRDHNVvDUgYkdn6MsNqJyCFOEgKEmb_ybtZpNwWtDWebxudmKTwyvh1utkyShfOtUfty3r8eYV1wBNtSN74BdlyNX/w400-h88/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20115718%20Narsisa%20Wray.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiLJuNgKdeqJc95QtB5gJCvR2hYIkbD9Y4D9dspUglZP1RRSq2V9yIJxnnAN549fJZufJPWt_lqopOwzTC6-1jvjkcmrcnsrEKW7QU80STVf89UFenoz3gmUCTnglxxpH72QG4rALQqD7HDmRf4BxlQUXJ2OCMUQursaTUev-fPguX3Ahb8KaoCHJ9pMmfW/s795/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20115957%20Wray%20children%20.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="246" data-original-width="795" height="124" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiLJuNgKdeqJc95QtB5gJCvR2hYIkbD9Y4D9dspUglZP1RRSq2V9yIJxnnAN549fJZufJPWt_lqopOwzTC6-1jvjkcmrcnsrEKW7QU80STVf89UFenoz3gmUCTnglxxpH72QG4rALQqD7HDmRf4BxlQUXJ2OCMUQursaTUev-fPguX3Ahb8KaoCHJ9pMmfW/w400-h124/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20115957%20Wray%20children%20.png" width="400" /></a></div><p>My ancestor Elizabeth Wray's middle name was Jane. Often family first names are recycled as middle names. Jane could have been a relative of Sarah Campbell? </p><p>Researching deeds I found a James Trigg Campbell. He appears to have a relationship with the Wray family living near them, and trading land with the family. James Campbell isn't an uncommon name, but I felt like the middle name Trigg could point me in the right direction, as middle names had in my past research. Sadly, no.</p><p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhs97GDKmJkiU6-FvYYbscdE9v6F908NI7TdFd9CxXvoQjZrtYC3S4EvuIItGwXRfNtrU6rG9bNZ5R6-7ZxIzJh2mr1HC_e11nF6s5dJXt16zOfzgGh0JScNtOoB7KdxDQEcGn-sGgN5tw9cHbKtrhMrLD_SNC2qprML3y6yq4UUBlKzZ-D1GWdBIwlsU-6/s1742/James%20Trigg%20Campbell.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="773" data-original-width="1742" height="142" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhs97GDKmJkiU6-FvYYbscdE9v6F908NI7TdFd9CxXvoQjZrtYC3S4EvuIItGwXRfNtrU6rG9bNZ5R6-7ZxIzJh2mr1HC_e11nF6s5dJXt16zOfzgGh0JScNtOoB7KdxDQEcGn-sGgN5tw9cHbKtrhMrLD_SNC2qprML3y6yq4UUBlKzZ-D1GWdBIwlsU-6/s320/James%20Trigg%20Campbell.png" width="320" /></a></p><p>When I visited a Lynchburg cemetery during the summer I noticed a tombstone with the middle name Trigg on it. Possibly Trigg was a middle name used in the past without any significance? </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2burNFOUGZb7sqCFtnPfiuaw7VSVovZvYzlZZaME9cDr-k_Y_EANvt_5-UjqxdtHgtlRsQ9hF3-XCheWBnaAuAafevqd5wK5tk139DoY7jSPUUYTp2WW2U6ZKVQ0mR4LfPqYqj-8RsN9xvxSoldznFHzYsx5kcqflHXX5tM0FZgq-M3O3UbjT9ufvZwoQ/s1106/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20104353%20Trigg.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="841" data-original-width="1106" height="243" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2burNFOUGZb7sqCFtnPfiuaw7VSVovZvYzlZZaME9cDr-k_Y_EANvt_5-UjqxdtHgtlRsQ9hF3-XCheWBnaAuAafevqd5wK5tk139DoY7jSPUUYTp2WW2U6ZKVQ0mR4LfPqYqj-8RsN9xvxSoldznFHzYsx5kcqflHXX5tM0FZgq-M3O3UbjT9ufvZwoQ/s320/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20104353%20Trigg.png" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>I visited the historic house Sandusky in Lynchburg, Virginia which was once owned by an Otey family. That name was used as a middle name by some of our Wray distant cousins. I told the historian at the house my relatives used Otey as a middle name and wondered if they were related? He said sometimes middle names were just names of neighbors. Middle names could be a clue to where the family lived, but may be the name of a relative.<div><br /> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcnZPtKfTXDc_AhwMVprCAoib0svJviNdaxxQTvhTtu9mfnfHI37cav_bIsoe84frtlP6OdhQvBtLG30Z7MWic2DEMal9st4bReb2PSiH3h7AwxFxTrEvXGHBx6ExovmWiAEnDuD8aWzljKUfmRHUd9Z2RdTmxO4EmoOFxSJPZA6rM3M3goPbTU5-5lBMM/s4032/PXL_20230811_151416967.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2268" data-original-width="4032" height="225" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcnZPtKfTXDc_AhwMVprCAoib0svJviNdaxxQTvhTtu9mfnfHI37cav_bIsoe84frtlP6OdhQvBtLG30Z7MWic2DEMal9st4bReb2PSiH3h7AwxFxTrEvXGHBx6ExovmWiAEnDuD8aWzljKUfmRHUd9Z2RdTmxO4EmoOFxSJPZA6rM3M3goPbTU5-5lBMM/w400-h225/PXL_20230811_151416967.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><p>Middle names are sometimes added to ancestors' names by people researching their family trees. The fact the name Oat has been added to my ancestor Benjamin Wray's name is a pet peeve of mine. I have found no documents with the middle name Oat, yet most online trees state his name is Benjamin Oat Wray. In 1757, when the older Benjamin was born, middle names were uncommon. There was a Benjamin Oat Wray who was a descendant of Benjamin. This man has a death certificate and lived in an era when middle names became more common. There was another descendant of Benjamin named James Oat Wray. Maybe someday we'll find out the significance of the name Oat? It's a mystery so far. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfLm23XnU_meWZeJiJfKO1eGENy1EGNa7fIfkJWJv2Kp3GjtuEEaMwUg_X7WMSIU2gteYu2aD4NRVgGzoQBasiFxiDSmBQf8DRi3QNwzj_Bj4-43kcdZQuFuCF7g0TG6T1JXeYyieVdebCu67S-nOOOj4CZcVUyLMmFxfkOMdeIxR_S52lbQJ8o-l9xGaY/s1376/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20105031%20Oat.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="622" data-original-width="1376" height="145" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfLm23XnU_meWZeJiJfKO1eGENy1EGNa7fIfkJWJv2Kp3GjtuEEaMwUg_X7WMSIU2gteYu2aD4NRVgGzoQBasiFxiDSmBQf8DRi3QNwzj_Bj4-43kcdZQuFuCF7g0TG6T1JXeYyieVdebCu67S-nOOOj4CZcVUyLMmFxfkOMdeIxR_S52lbQJ8o-l9xGaY/s320/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20105031%20Oat.png" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhU6a4vPKV2dowbw6H5TR-Iyp4tLFSnxggdI3q1N6lK74Bpseq1ahLQngCri2wM7OWqer1hTVSu-uKOuiaJia-PuTZBU_q3nbIcS-m0GEVnaNVcAV4i_7rkdjvLIjfAY5utK-1Cod5bkL7FTfU8CzTvkc6ZlVxVgXhuNSi-8gzrWSGmIjBilAPJM5CLSd0Y/s484/Benjamin%20Oat%20Wray.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="484" data-original-width="395" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhU6a4vPKV2dowbw6H5TR-Iyp4tLFSnxggdI3q1N6lK74Bpseq1ahLQngCri2wM7OWqer1hTVSu-uKOuiaJia-PuTZBU_q3nbIcS-m0GEVnaNVcAV4i_7rkdjvLIjfAY5utK-1Cod5bkL7FTfU8CzTvkc6ZlVxVgXhuNSi-8gzrWSGmIjBilAPJM5CLSd0Y/s320/Benjamin%20Oat%20Wray.JPG" width="261" /></a></div><br /><p>Middle initials can be important when it comes to identifying men with the same first and last names living in the same area. The middle initial D was added to my ancestor James Owens name to set him apart from other James Owens living in the same county. That initial led me to accurately identify him in his father's estate settlement resolving a brickwall. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinuHe4PESNk2HsaphT20JVAADKVzyAH0V8Kk8KZuamOUgWtaiJedmrSdqDlQuvN9kSyEld58GLnCkTIj3pfRvVLoMbeRcdFDsqvDTii_bO2Fq5BEgoUKQBrzuH1h-eb8__k9nMDF0pVEyYyjXUdEaa_-Io-CAPCbejydLyqkmIICNKEPKAPWxy_OUdZVHb/s758/aba5cce2-44a1-4fae-827c-70dd6f9e7d8c%20James%20D%20Owens.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="275" data-original-width="758" height="145" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinuHe4PESNk2HsaphT20JVAADKVzyAH0V8Kk8KZuamOUgWtaiJedmrSdqDlQuvN9kSyEld58GLnCkTIj3pfRvVLoMbeRcdFDsqvDTii_bO2Fq5BEgoUKQBrzuH1h-eb8__k9nMDF0pVEyYyjXUdEaa_-Io-CAPCbejydLyqkmIICNKEPKAPWxy_OUdZVHb/w400-h145/aba5cce2-44a1-4fae-827c-70dd6f9e7d8c%20James%20D%20Owens.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><p>Other times family tree researchers have added middle initials. This can happen when a name was abbreviated with the last letter of the abbreviation being written in superscript (raised above the text). In one case the middle initial A was added to one of the Benjamin Wray's names. Actually that was part of the abbreviation of the name. Benja was an abbreviation commonly used in the past. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6wxrjIqoo05_lKSZduqVAVkeQZprU4P10VQbLyubbYTEGIXcz97wbdsfJr4jh3py92_cLuU_43FJ2A2dzB46YkYvGmR2uV-0W0qxzCNpwnGbkzvtY8bdI0wFHcw-cNuAEsir0A0pgzBPgnnerQhXUpvgyV0y7EVUB7yTlpveFxOK3Yx9PpPAHfNgpMYNQ/s1617/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20110454%20subscript.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="386" data-original-width="1617" height="95" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6wxrjIqoo05_lKSZduqVAVkeQZprU4P10VQbLyubbYTEGIXcz97wbdsfJr4jh3py92_cLuU_43FJ2A2dzB46YkYvGmR2uV-0W0qxzCNpwnGbkzvtY8bdI0wFHcw-cNuAEsir0A0pgzBPgnnerQhXUpvgyV0y7EVUB7yTlpveFxOK3Yx9PpPAHfNgpMYNQ/w400-h95/Screenshot%202024-01-08%20110454%20subscript.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p>Once a wrong middle initial or middle name has been added to an ancestor's name it's nearly impossible to correct. It just keeps getting recopied. </p><p>We have relatives who use Washington as a middle name, as a tribute to their hero George Washington. No clues there. Sometimes the middle name comes from a person someone admires. </p><p>Sometimes middle names have been useful in confirming relationships and sometimes they are a total mystery. Maybe some day some of these mystery middle names will lead to solving a brickwall.</p></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-85467013930729014842023-12-13T14:20:00.000-08:002023-12-13T14:20:15.057-08:00Learning about Ancestors from Eulogies and Obituaries/And where to locate them<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKqmDT8BI3QD7CruT8mfuiA7xZTgEJvIRheEesby-z-9pmcAHdixPaAPrGnwh2LQFQcEbBMuPcBFWc2UyPnNJiMrSQBnHDvcPsZWeWJoIKiK3WQEtfyW-lA7Kk-lW3juEnvkRQqHmGG-ZK0X1O1fsZXkatUkixIfwSRhfpMw85bG7UxS-5YoNF6CIX7A9k/s1090/Screenshot%202023-12-13%20123945%20funeral%20service.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="545" data-original-width="1090" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKqmDT8BI3QD7CruT8mfuiA7xZTgEJvIRheEesby-z-9pmcAHdixPaAPrGnwh2LQFQcEbBMuPcBFWc2UyPnNJiMrSQBnHDvcPsZWeWJoIKiK3WQEtfyW-lA7Kk-lW3juEnvkRQqHmGG-ZK0X1O1fsZXkatUkixIfwSRhfpMw85bG7UxS-5YoNF6CIX7A9k/w400-h200/Screenshot%202023-12-13%20123945%20funeral%20service.png" width="400" /></a></div><p style="text-align: center;"><br /></p><p>I first discovered the value of a eulogy for family history research when I received one for a great-great aunt, Bridget aka Sister Mary Kathleen Mullen, from an aunt. She was a Catholic nun. The eulogy states she was from Galway; my father thought our Mullen family was from Cork. He probably was told his grandmother, Helen Mullen-Mason, left the port at Cork and thought the family lived there. The eulogy also gave the names of her parents, Patrick Mullen and Mary Huvane. I had never heard anything about the surname Huvane until then. My grandmother, Dorothy Mason-Kapple, and her siblings knew the maiden name of their grandmother, Mary Huvane-Mullen, but I didn't. I guess I just never asked. I should have asked more questions. </p><p>Relatives are a good source when looking for eulogies. The more relatives, including distant relatives, you collaborate with the more likely you can find something like a eulogy. I've also gotten prayer cards with information about the deceased from distant relatives. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVoP7Fx3SeJy-rPPlcFR2eeeOfzGyMGq0VqIVB5pUsQBJg8VrpiIQBToHLCe_XLSeuOikj_4fB_tHYPYW0jovvF9Lmn8d82nSSRlXSdt3PNzEZj6TZQyeoobq2iB6XvULGX3WyTFIZChbbNgJxs6ppy85A4_sXJq3G5AVgCmrEtzUPYmVu_0sdGM6kokyu/s897/Screenshot%202023-12-13%20123201%20prayer%20card.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="647" data-original-width="897" height="231" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVoP7Fx3SeJy-rPPlcFR2eeeOfzGyMGq0VqIVB5pUsQBJg8VrpiIQBToHLCe_XLSeuOikj_4fB_tHYPYW0jovvF9Lmn8d82nSSRlXSdt3PNzEZj6TZQyeoobq2iB6XvULGX3WyTFIZChbbNgJxs6ppy85A4_sXJq3G5AVgCmrEtzUPYmVu_0sdGM6kokyu/s320/Screenshot%202023-12-13%20123201%20prayer%20card.png" width="320" /></a></div><p>After learning the maiden name of my great-great grandmother I began researching the surname Huvane. To some family members the name seemed foreign. They thought it might be Spanish? Maybe the name came from Spanish Armada survivors? Once I had internet access in the 1990s I was able to find Huvanes living in the San Francisco area. I made contact with them and they shared the information they had about the family, and they shared some research done in Ireland by a researcher there. He stated the name Huvane, a variant of Huane, was likely a variant of Hoban. </p><p>This Huvane family also attempted to help me learn more about my Mullen family. Our shared Huvane family relatives lived near the Mullens, in Pollaturick, Ireland, they of course were cousins of their family, and mine. My new cousins gave me contact information for a Mary Ellen Mullen-Thornton, they received from relatives in Pollaturick. She was the only Mullen closely related to me still alive, being that she was the first cousin of my grandmother Dorothy. The relative also stated that some of the Mullens lived in London. I wrote her a letter but never heard back. She was born in 1921 and was likely in poor health, or living in a care home when I wrote her. When I visited Ireland, and the townland of Pollaturick in 2019 a neighbor told me Mary Ellen was in a nursing home. The family hadn't lived on the land in decades because Mary Ellen's husband had land in another townland where she lived after her marriage. </p><p>Asking questions on Facebook in 2021 I discovered Mary Ellen Mullen-Thornton was still alive, and 100 years old. Until then I had no idea she was that old! I was very surprised. Her aunt, Sister Mary Kathleen Mullen, was 103 when she died. This family has a longevity gene.</p><p>Fast forward to December 2023. I learned that Mary Ellen had died in November 2022. This month is a busy month in the United States with Thanksgiving, and Christmas coming, so I missed that funeral stream on YouTube. Googling her name and the places she lived I found an obituary. Internet obituaries are free and easy to post so they are very common. Often funeral homes put these on their websites. Commonly these obituaries include a photo of the deceased, and sometimes there is a slideshow with multiple photos that include family members. I've seen photos going back to the deceaseds childhood. I've also seen videos posted with these obituaries. </p><p>A video produced by the family of my father Robert's first cousin can be <a href="https://www.smitsfh.com/obituary/adolyne-dolmer?fbclid=IwAR3gFF8dUAEsWH3oeUTS29XpO4vY-Ye_Wehrra-XAtJ-BJQIQ_DchcX1kSo">viewed at this link</a> . This video, with photos, helped me identify some unmarked photos. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjKYfTnZSUPoRTTQmiRfrlK2ovfKfv8um0hJ0TVUlBaIf94gYCWsMr8BqLzGlygNh7LnF7uN3coDWc6-FEvJKOGtchXk8UtQVCLwyLEWWA8ZNEB_xFfh0Oe3y3sGfrzrPg386LzGZx3DeYTeRjUu7MLq-7Pkp9j8lc71o8dE_HhPD0febXF3_1tE8yt2Os/s1682/Screenshot%202023-12-13%20105531%20cousin%20father.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="773" data-original-width="1682" height="147" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjKYfTnZSUPoRTTQmiRfrlK2ovfKfv8um0hJ0TVUlBaIf94gYCWsMr8BqLzGlygNh7LnF7uN3coDWc6-FEvJKOGtchXk8UtQVCLwyLEWWA8ZNEB_xFfh0Oe3y3sGfrzrPg386LzGZx3DeYTeRjUu7MLq-7Pkp9j8lc71o8dE_HhPD0febXF3_1tE8yt2Os/s320/Screenshot%202023-12-13%20105531%20cousin%20father.png" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /></div>I've found many obituaries for relatives who died before the internet in old newspapers. Sites like <a href="http://newspapers.com">newspapers.com</a> or <a href="http://newspaperarchive.com">newspaperarchive.com</a> are great, but you have to pay to view the obituaries. <a href="https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/newspapers/">Chronicling America</a> is a free newspaper site, but I haven't had any luck there myself. An Irish newspaper site with obituaries is <a href="https://www.irishnewsarchive.com/">Irish Newspaper Archives</a>.<br /><p>Mary Ellen Mullen-Thornton's obituary provided the names of her children, which I didn't have. It confirmed two of her children lived in England, and one in London. The letter proved to be correct, one of her children did live in London. Great to see a photo of my grandmother's first cousin too! </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilNWbwwkCapDEkciE_sSFbc45xNuph5KZIsvtVy2Nje1xfzKsy1Si7lQ3kEeuo3Oz7J89eOrzlzX3ByX_LWkDPJ090r43dJosQb647cDsBkpg76kRcPfL_1ym0rix_c51xyd8USDe9s3K9iSwJlOCa3RE15MUT1qmja8jODo7CPIzPnZEmLqFEOqdi7b7O/s908/406538875_10231215194953470_3263895559404606273_n%20Mary%20Ellen%20Thornton%20obituary.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="572" data-original-width="908" height="202" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilNWbwwkCapDEkciE_sSFbc45xNuph5KZIsvtVy2Nje1xfzKsy1Si7lQ3kEeuo3Oz7J89eOrzlzX3ByX_LWkDPJ090r43dJosQb647cDsBkpg76kRcPfL_1ym0rix_c51xyd8USDe9s3K9iSwJlOCa3RE15MUT1qmja8jODo7CPIzPnZEmLqFEOqdi7b7O/s320/406538875_10231215194953470_3263895559404606273_n%20Mary%20Ellen%20Thornton%20obituary.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /></div>I remembered that in Ireland funeral services are streamed on YouTube or the churches website. The Mullen family church St. Joseph's Milltown, Tuam, Galway, Ireland, streams funeral services live. Unfortunately, after a short period of time they make them private. You need the link to view them. Thankfully, I was able to get a link from the church to view her funeral mass from last year. Unfortunately her family didn't give the eulogy. The priest did and he provided some interesting information. He confirmed that she was born in Pollaturick, when times were hard and no one had any money. Her occupation was housewife. He said she could speak Irish. He didn't know Irish was spoken in the village during her lifetime. Her aunt, my great-grandmother, also spoke Irish. He stated one of her daughter's names was actually Bernadette, which wasn't in the obituary. Dette in the obituary is apparently a nickname for Bernadette. <div><br /></div><div>The name of the care home Mary Ellen lived in was named during the service. The neighbor I spoke to was correct; she was in a nursing home. </div><div><br /></div><div>Prayers were said for the Thornton and Mullen families. It was nice to hear the Mullens acknowledged. <br /><div><br /></div><div>The priest also stated that some of her siblings died shortly after birth. He also said her brother Patrick died as a teenager, which doesn't seem to match some information I have? I know he was born in 1919. A Patrick Mullen sold land in Pollaturick in 1950 which I assumed was him. Maybe I'm wrong? Patrick Mullen isn't an uncommon name in Ireland. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMIS6iO8PXyGT-9qcDlYRKVBbd2ijOsxtpIRErkIoYLqclBbUEhBnbrJEIl_eVwuUzE7tOI1MJb7p99pFGn0hJD9hd5ubXpDWG8qslzg9hYW88qlc0catiuE04SXOs7V6Mkz6ai-nnL6JQWgLW_HlobNxCWw0jyA6v52-i3FmZMOfCYn_Vc_TT_81VRIqN/s692/131304801_10224155684590123_7547377077996689372_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="322" data-original-width="692" height="149" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMIS6iO8PXyGT-9qcDlYRKVBbd2ijOsxtpIRErkIoYLqclBbUEhBnbrJEIl_eVwuUzE7tOI1MJb7p99pFGn0hJD9hd5ubXpDWG8qslzg9hYW88qlc0catiuE04SXOs7V6Mkz6ai-nnL6JQWgLW_HlobNxCWw0jyA6v52-i3FmZMOfCYn_Vc_TT_81VRIqN/s320/131304801_10224155684590123_7547377077996689372_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div><div><br /></div><div>The reason I'm interested in information about her family is I would like to know if they have any old photos of my great-great grandparents? </div><div><br /></div><div>All of my great-grandmother's siblings, except for Michael Mullen, Mary Ellen's father, left the area. He inherited the family land. Mary Ellen was the only one of his children that lived long into adulthood. For this reason the Mullen family land was passed down to her. Her father's house, not lived in for decades, was falling apart when I visited there. I assume she was born there in 1921? My great-great grandmother was present at her birth according to her civil registration record. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNzvY6PFUr5jqe4pBF4PwsU9dO8FSiucn71Aa_hY5kcNtaeQLwC3jERBdujWJuat3D07dWeIhjY0PM5iGaugZg1QWD-9pwIH2HT2VGO1QhUM2NxtvVKJ28Z9kKg2__65WaotOY09jAsjKuT-0aN8qrtALbdT4nvnd-c_lbMrwcJlpapQ0lLVggO3b1bWJL/s2560/Mullen_Thornton%20%20House.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1920" data-original-width="2560" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNzvY6PFUr5jqe4pBF4PwsU9dO8FSiucn71Aa_hY5kcNtaeQLwC3jERBdujWJuat3D07dWeIhjY0PM5iGaugZg1QWD-9pwIH2HT2VGO1QhUM2NxtvVKJ28Z9kKg2__65WaotOY09jAsjKuT-0aN8qrtALbdT4nvnd-c_lbMrwcJlpapQ0lLVggO3b1bWJL/w400-h300/Mullen_Thornton%20%20House.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>Interestingly Mary Ellen Mullen-Thornton was present when her grandmother, my great-great grandmother, Mary Huvane-Mullen died, according to her death record. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggyl0tHzNj-rOfB8gK8vHgdX8djx4NLUlWdnImcoqPWsC2vXZ9XbeA7m5WIh7qy8DaRk7xOZkzR8Z0DKklgcpOLurVLsyvhHo5FsuxxFvNy2eQJX8eKOWRqHvQaqDj1ChsNEPzQQvnM4DiPq-digevA5K2AsqIH4SvR5cmW1iIcMtuZgtmwV3qw_cYxtVH/s1087/mary%20mullin%20died%201940.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="166" data-original-width="1087" height="98" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggyl0tHzNj-rOfB8gK8vHgdX8djx4NLUlWdnImcoqPWsC2vXZ9XbeA7m5WIh7qy8DaRk7xOZkzR8Z0DKklgcpOLurVLsyvhHo5FsuxxFvNy2eQJX8eKOWRqHvQaqDj1ChsNEPzQQvnM4DiPq-digevA5K2AsqIH4SvR5cmW1iIcMtuZgtmwV3qw_cYxtVH/w640-h98/mary%20mullin%20died%201940.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div>I'm hoping to find a way to get in contact with Mary Ellen's descendant's in hopes they might have photos?</div><div><br /></div><div>Obituaries and eulogies are great sources for family history. You can find obituaries online, and in newspapers, and sometimes in books. Family members might keep copies of eulogies, and some churches now live stream funerals on the internet. Also family members may have made videos of a funeral service. A relative may have presented a eulogy for a relative, friend. or neighbor, which may include information about themselves, and the area they lived in. Because of Covid restrictions many churches now stream their services. We now have more places to glean information from. </div><div><br /><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p></div></div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-83887485046913689272023-11-15T13:33:00.000-08:002023-11-15T13:33:14.546-08:00Court Papers/ Determined Papers Franklin District Court Virginia<p style="text-align: center;"> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjs1yypifuugwTyZ8-ap1bfRORWr_tKbQHP_aHlhDs_g97BW7uWTnkEahnM0p7VWqsPAkmaColShfZu6vcsIyHecDk6LWEJ-mpVsgUOlFqV5n8cmC-kEIaZuJfDQ0Iu5LTTedwIrc6eVgC2QWsEuPWO0761yuHkdqno1OK0wB3zgJkXLVjkf0Low0RCUCg8/s1600/31395892_10215964331771422_761381106103615488_o.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1200" data-original-width="1600" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjs1yypifuugwTyZ8-ap1bfRORWr_tKbQHP_aHlhDs_g97BW7uWTnkEahnM0p7VWqsPAkmaColShfZu6vcsIyHecDk6LWEJ-mpVsgUOlFqV5n8cmC-kEIaZuJfDQ0Iu5LTTedwIrc6eVgC2QWsEuPWO0761yuHkdqno1OK0wB3zgJkXLVjkf0Low0RCUCg8/s320/31395892_10215964331771422_761381106103615488_o.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><p></p><p><br /></p><p>Looking for a court record regarding my Wray family I discovered the Chancery Court records online at Virginia Memory aren't always complete or thoroughly indexed. If your family lived in the counties of Franklin, Bedford, Campbell, Pittsylvania, Patrick, and Henry you might find a court case that your family was mentioned in using another source called determined papers at FamilySearch. These files were created after court cases were determined. It is nice to have the more complete files available at the FamilySearch site. Since these records were filmed, in 1976-1977, some of the file pages have become separated and aren't in their original file. That's why the recently scanned files at Virginia Memory aren't always complete.</p><p>You can search the FamilySearch catalog using the keyword determined and the link should come up for this record set. You can also search by county, and then find the link under court records. Elizabeth Shown Mills pointed this record set out to me. Somehow I overlooked this valuable source. Honestly wish more YouTube family history videos would focus on these little known types of records. </p><p>These records aren't indexed. If you are looking for a particular court record and have dates you can just search around that date. Knowing when the case was finally settled helps. Generally all the paperwork was filed together when the case was determined. </p><p>You can search these records page by page or just look at each cover page. The cover page will generally be written on paper folded longways, which looks like a book spine. If you've done courthouse research you will quickly spot the cover pages. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIppRTtNYgO5RwZFT7faffYXeSBMIyZNvABhgPajlNGwY3jZtFMZhc3dVqu3ffG7p3de9EOOI0WWWvHZtJxe9Px4T_s5c-S4Di45yY9LKBLGzwu5ABLGdba1ZtAgFh8ypgy5lKmXikWzFKG98c_fzlF5UUUlN1UJLjLWjDJ80QVMj3wQ_o_vxTqVjcu3j-/s1277/Screenshot%202023-11-14%20112940%20cover%20page.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="655" data-original-width="1277" height="205" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIppRTtNYgO5RwZFT7faffYXeSBMIyZNvABhgPajlNGwY3jZtFMZhc3dVqu3ffG7p3de9EOOI0WWWvHZtJxe9Px4T_s5c-S4Di45yY9LKBLGzwu5ABLGdba1ZtAgFh8ypgy5lKmXikWzFKG98c_fzlF5UUUlN1UJLjLWjDJ80QVMj3wQ_o_vxTqVjcu3j-/w400-h205/Screenshot%202023-11-14%20112940%20cover%20page.png" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsI7myiSvg9TUn6BUvk6gT3FxMY0dF3icZM6gUtw9BhUAiNM21jW4Nq5LAHtIj7hy1L1VpLo-WkluDyIIGKZ0ZvGoxP__-jpwFnuA8CPZUUG2mfuq4fU6zhEVxxnyjuGVIx599GgVm-2IdRjhzUr7NPTfWDcPnxKRTrxPn3-evwAz7gft6WEszqBZD-v4U/s906/Screenshot%202023-11-14%20183113%20how%20cases%20are%20filed.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="906" data-original-width="816" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsI7myiSvg9TUn6BUvk6gT3FxMY0dF3icZM6gUtw9BhUAiNM21jW4Nq5LAHtIj7hy1L1VpLo-WkluDyIIGKZ0ZvGoxP__-jpwFnuA8CPZUUG2mfuq4fU6zhEVxxnyjuGVIx599GgVm-2IdRjhzUr7NPTfWDcPnxKRTrxPn3-evwAz7gft6WEszqBZD-v4U/w180-h200/Screenshot%202023-11-14%20183113%20how%20cases%20are%20filed.png" width="180" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p>Things I found included in these determined files:</p><p>Case details:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqr_gWCLmvEYOmf3gbe012U7eZANVHboZynV636p0oND7iNpKhBrc6ab6ZfFzVk2PWsH2Y0-uVIwct2MNmaUmyv7TvjJM94r50y_ULo73SAgSajfKzOsqNEddiLeS5bcMO0OUP7kCeNxtCaalcadpAvbr7YQ4obIKKy6iq6HR-Ts6VPtF1bTahiPl4MRbp/s1346/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20114325%20slaves.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="627" data-original-width="1346" height="186" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqr_gWCLmvEYOmf3gbe012U7eZANVHboZynV636p0oND7iNpKhBrc6ab6ZfFzVk2PWsH2Y0-uVIwct2MNmaUmyv7TvjJM94r50y_ULo73SAgSajfKzOsqNEddiLeS5bcMO0OUP7kCeNxtCaalcadpAvbr7YQ4obIKKy6iq6HR-Ts6VPtF1bTahiPl4MRbp/w400-h186/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20114325%20slaves.png" width="400" /></a></div><p style="text-align: center;"><br /></p><p>I saw some newspapers in the files:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhOY6VExLnlSyLq-K8qXx5XgFr8CnIGfWLYngtlBnX0znymhLejj9eQpw1HMei9G0vVucDkK5IS5uXHpSAOXbsVfT0jUs6VS4fULzKFmj8DI9A6W4iiHDWAvTHb189nJ6H_9oQK1vu5uApv71K9d5_AE6lIB7dH209i8yGL1if5nqla6l7JfJuAbRSZTQS3/s1325/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20103604%20newspaper%20article.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="897" data-original-width="1325" height="217" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhOY6VExLnlSyLq-K8qXx5XgFr8CnIGfWLYngtlBnX0znymhLejj9eQpw1HMei9G0vVucDkK5IS5uXHpSAOXbsVfT0jUs6VS4fULzKFmj8DI9A6W4iiHDWAvTHb189nJ6H_9oQK1vu5uApv71K9d5_AE6lIB7dH209i8yGL1if5nqla6l7JfJuAbRSZTQS3/s320/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20103604%20newspaper%20article.png" width="320" /></a></div><p><br /></p><p>Lists of witnesses:</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBacgFgLHn51Gt52kM9ek6Th37NWB_FAhiU6oi1c-cFGXo4qzjKZHr65IOssqXKLf6IY7mNEIj2eh0wkV2l_G97Al7CrWOjnC3zUxLBxYjFpp50sHjrKhclwcIP9DnMMVpcU_c6T45aIp3jbnFevzc4dHxruegUORy_yT-We2KZt_6eaLkmHc9e__dzoC8/s1202/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20104734%20witnesses.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="958" data-original-width="1202" height="255" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBacgFgLHn51Gt52kM9ek6Th37NWB_FAhiU6oi1c-cFGXo4qzjKZHr65IOssqXKLf6IY7mNEIj2eh0wkV2l_G97Al7CrWOjnC3zUxLBxYjFpp50sHjrKhclwcIP9DnMMVpcU_c6T45aIp3jbnFevzc4dHxruegUORy_yT-We2KZt_6eaLkmHc9e__dzoC8/s320/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20104734%20witnesses.png" width="320" /></a></div><p><br /></p><p>There was a legal dispute over the tax lists and full tax lists were included in a file:</p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEio48VTu24_4Ebh_mY5JFMB6d3kjGLoJr82MEwxpZl4BSA7sg30w2v8lVL927grnXxnKhX3duV74Imn0YlDKBpC29rV0XfWFAROm5IXevkbEr3AUilj8V52kXFiFdtl6wZxCqLK2nVBc_wLZwNhvvFO4t9WNQ53AcBFf0g0VH1wGHPThqNyvr_d0jndMm6a/s3460/record-image_%20-%202023-11-05T143115.665%20tax%20list.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3393" data-original-width="3460" height="393" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEio48VTu24_4Ebh_mY5JFMB6d3kjGLoJr82MEwxpZl4BSA7sg30w2v8lVL927grnXxnKhX3duV74Imn0YlDKBpC29rV0XfWFAROm5IXevkbEr3AUilj8V52kXFiFdtl6wZxCqLK2nVBc_wLZwNhvvFO4t9WNQ53AcBFf0g0VH1wGHPThqNyvr_d0jndMm6a/w400-h393/record-image_%20-%202023-11-05T143115.665%20tax%20list.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><p><br /></p><p>Interesting the time court would meet is outlined in this document. Since there wasn't good lighting available sunset ended the court day. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjv93o-zl0hoi2sh-S-u1fJEXBYiLDF4dMH3Jm9TCMCqBeeFQXIfWGYxDd49paW63N0L5ypy6_u91-yHAzdTsDbalPwsOU5d8jaRz9U0OctqO-tMWxdIunuU0lLMZeMDCDQ3mv8cPtDnPWK29WOYBngAzvGIbb_bGtqJMWPn9Nh04QYiUo_xJGllU8K08JL/s1201/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20105235%20sunset.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="887" data-original-width="1201" height="295" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjv93o-zl0hoi2sh-S-u1fJEXBYiLDF4dMH3Jm9TCMCqBeeFQXIfWGYxDd49paW63N0L5ypy6_u91-yHAzdTsDbalPwsOU5d8jaRz9U0OctqO-tMWxdIunuU0lLMZeMDCDQ3mv8cPtDnPWK29WOYBngAzvGIbb_bGtqJMWPn9Nh04QYiUo_xJGllU8K08JL/w400-h295/Screenshot%202023-11-15%20105235%20sunset.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p>The cases often involved slaves. If someone is researching slave ancestry these records do provide the names of slaves. Also there are cases involving land disputes which include land records and sometimes land surveys. </p><p>Court records are a very important source for family history, especially in the south where vital records weren't introduced until the <span face="Arial, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt; white-space-collapse: preserve;">twentieth </span>century.</p>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-13578899130723654682023-11-09T11:38:00.004-08:002023-11-09T12:07:49.069-08:00My Wray/Ray Family and the Disabled Slave Betty<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh3SdrVN7ZIh6yIl4RyrH0odt-IZZw2qM_j4vOhdNAEWweiZl6icI7_RD_I4vcKY3pCKRzvMddP6scd7zzier3rJC3h5NRI6yXGpkhX-0b5j7PVq4R_IZAyOSH37tm3SDrrWscE-xrMqaQAMBR9QDOZe2QNHab5IpNhefu_HpE0wL9aWKWp_nKXRZJ-O0T4/s4032/PXL_20230807_141502338.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2268" data-original-width="4032" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh3SdrVN7ZIh6yIl4RyrH0odt-IZZw2qM_j4vOhdNAEWweiZl6icI7_RD_I4vcKY3pCKRzvMddP6scd7zzier3rJC3h5NRI6yXGpkhX-0b5j7PVq4R_IZAyOSH37tm3SDrrWscE-xrMqaQAMBR9QDOZe2QNHab5IpNhefu_HpE0wL9aWKWp_nKXRZJ-O0T4/w640-h360/PXL_20230807_141502338.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p style="text-align: left;"><br /></p><p>During my August trip to Virginia I stayed in a hotel near Liberty University. On the other side of the campus there was a major street with a Target and Walmart, and restaurants. Walking through the campus to get to this area it began pouring rain one day. I decided to take shelter in the library until the rain let up. I didn't think this religiously oriented institution would have genealogy related material but thought they would at least have some Virginia history books. I was surprised to actually find a book marking the bicentennial of the county I was researching. "Franklin County, Virginia, 1786-1986 : a bicentennial history" is a book I found in that library. I had never seen it before. </p><p>I didn't expect to find anything about the Wray family in a chapter about slavery. I've been researching that family over 20 years and never found a record of them owning any slaves. </p><p>I was floored by the story of Moses and Elizabeth Wray and a slave girl named Betty. Evidently a man named David Morgan bought a slave girl named Betty and her father Sampson from William Lee. Moses Wray leased Betty from Morgan for $7 a year. The Wrays returned Betty to Morgan after discovering she was lame, either due to an injury or one leg being shorter than the other. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCK4NSMux-kCaMsMPpaaHSN4wg3W9nqxWvRdeBZuiefol3O6QgIwUr4y0X8xVT-WkTdiFE3VF6YHMoVbV7jmIcVp6kKgmnLiJGRROtlfr-QKTo6jc40FNS_29yBGhQ-Qk7mowxPDEXRD4gj658S9nBbdMolWHgXALEvcihwLq9hbCqt1JLOJq3mEnF2uus/s4032/PXL_20230804_181332467%20(2).jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2268" data-original-width="4032" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCK4NSMux-kCaMsMPpaaHSN4wg3W9nqxWvRdeBZuiefol3O6QgIwUr4y0X8xVT-WkTdiFE3VF6YHMoVbV7jmIcVp6kKgmnLiJGRROtlfr-QKTo6jc40FNS_29yBGhQ-Qk7mowxPDEXRD4gj658S9nBbdMolWHgXALEvcihwLq9hbCqt1JLOJq3mEnF2uus/s320/PXL_20230804_181332467%20(2).jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><p>What happened to slaves like Betty who were disabled? Someone who could not walk could sew and do tasks with their hands. Other more severely disabled people were cared for by mother's who had to be their caregivers along with performing their own work as slaves. These severely disabled slaves were kept or sold off with their caregivers. Some disabled slaves were sold to doctors who performed experiments on them, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_in_American_slavery#:~:text=Often%2C%20slave%20owners%20would%20sell,and%20asylums%20to%20house%20them.">according to an article on Wikipedia</a>.</p><p>I wanted to confirm the story in the book so I ordered a copy of the Elizabeth Ray affidavit cited in the book from The Library of Virginia archives. The case she provided the affidavit for was named Morgan v. Lee, because Morgan was suing Lee because the slaves he purchased from him turned out to be unsound. I quickly received a reply from a reference librarian after submitting my order. She said the affidavit wasn't in the box which was referred to in the book citation. </p><p>I corresponded with the reference librarian by phone and email trying to figure out where the affidavit might have been filed? I was nearly giving up thinking it was lost. It took a month for the affidavit to be found. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEier7mvscH26eFXQ5UntbixcOH-fZm02d3SqZAhF1bsnDJsmAYng-ZMx5Oehu5mWgJOiL79au6Ch-Zr-Ny8PrUNGLiI3LU15kS4fTfr-OcnbDOLhhtmqwUWvC1pC1THcAlSTjgIR9M2MIuFX-WaM7-EpoAs2EP7phBcMOP5rfdf3QUQJkdUICZn7OQ_gjl_/s1517/Screenshot%202023-11-09%20093943.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="723" data-original-width="1517" height="306" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEier7mvscH26eFXQ5UntbixcOH-fZm02d3SqZAhF1bsnDJsmAYng-ZMx5Oehu5mWgJOiL79au6Ch-Zr-Ny8PrUNGLiI3LU15kS4fTfr-OcnbDOLhhtmqwUWvC1pC1THcAlSTjgIR9M2MIuFX-WaM7-EpoAs2EP7phBcMOP5rfdf3QUQJkdUICZn7OQ_gjl_/w640-h306/Screenshot%202023-11-09%20093943.png" width="640" /></a></div><p><br /></p><p>I learned that the other affidavits were a part of the chancery records online at the Virginia Memory site. I had already checked that site back when I was in Virginia. Nothing came up about this case? Why? Because the case was indexed under the variant spelling Morgain. Also the name Ray, or variant spelling Rey, actually are in the file documents online, but aren't in the index. I just found the file a few days ago. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfw2m9m_wcJw3i7YdhcX0IPMiOHf6GCsmF6m0hLo6MawtXhrUjaT7ekazs2M8pc6ekSrKIH-8Pf4TLzuDJlaHNzM3JFbKqHjK4Fzwlr2ht8n7yzdcd68pj8d76AL1gt58Abiyb7J8LWtH6x5rRwxCu3lVRxCV_7gWtNnxGbUk7pkWQq2VCUbrRDq2us3GB/s1032/Screenshot%202023-11-08%20092242.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="617" data-original-width="1032" height="239" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfw2m9m_wcJw3i7YdhcX0IPMiOHf6GCsmF6m0hLo6MawtXhrUjaT7ekazs2M8pc6ekSrKIH-8Pf4TLzuDJlaHNzM3JFbKqHjK4Fzwlr2ht8n7yzdcd68pj8d76AL1gt58Abiyb7J8LWtH6x5rRwxCu3lVRxCV_7gWtNnxGbUk7pkWQq2VCUbrRDq2us3GB/w400-h239/Screenshot%202023-11-08%20092242.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p>Two of the case affidavits involve the Rays. Elizabeth Ray and William Waid provided their recollections of Betty, and the leasing of her by the Ray family. The two affidavits don't completely agree. Apparently Waid worked on the Ray plantation for a year. According to William Waid the Ray's had Betty for some time before returning her to Morgan because of her disability. He states Morgan offered to lower the lease rate and even offered to give her to the Rays as a gift. According to him Moses said he couldn't afford to feed and clothe her if she could not work. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhr-fU0Tnyz8HWvAiOS3igWsZJooka6zzLXTKYO1ArRHyszo5hBiCh8N6dPW2Si9sTPV1QR6T918LXCZqL2wBlsRTOJ44BTZz57HugV1zZCzszoWGQUEHdxTr6coTg9Poqp2MDBjd0nKcHF65JppwQkcwaLblqM0HpPMvx71cIHOytj4g9LzQlymzThb_Qw/s1302/Screenshot%202023-11-07%20204124%20today%202.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1302" data-original-width="782" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhr-fU0Tnyz8HWvAiOS3igWsZJooka6zzLXTKYO1ArRHyszo5hBiCh8N6dPW2Si9sTPV1QR6T918LXCZqL2wBlsRTOJ44BTZz57HugV1zZCzszoWGQUEHdxTr6coTg9Poqp2MDBjd0nKcHF65JppwQkcwaLblqM0HpPMvx71cIHOytj4g9LzQlymzThb_Qw/w240-h400/Screenshot%202023-11-07%20204124%20today%202.png" width="240" /></a></div><br /><p>According to Elizabeth Ray she immediately noticed the girl was limping as she left the wagon when she was brought over. She asked the girl to show her the wound. She did see a wound on the girl's hip. She also stated if Betty had a child she would likely become completely disabled. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtaOagsiXcPy9udEJdSGY6GOE6kE6OwLNaCFFjrBWt_xxhwzdJHWDk3WeDWPGCivbo0x-gDknp_PHM_9CDhXtkiDh5wXDNCPE8lKdsv7yOCxq0l8Uv3SCblkiAvAE60AT19hFVh7fYdCp5WrVxDFT83ToY12Z6LMgvjbhk2sS98_9_uKksgAaGjFZq6Nt2/s792/2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="688" data-original-width="792" height="348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtaOagsiXcPy9udEJdSGY6GOE6kE6OwLNaCFFjrBWt_xxhwzdJHWDk3WeDWPGCivbo0x-gDknp_PHM_9CDhXtkiDh5wXDNCPE8lKdsv7yOCxq0l8Uv3SCblkiAvAE60AT19hFVh7fYdCp5WrVxDFT83ToY12Z6LMgvjbhk2sS98_9_uKksgAaGjFZq6Nt2/w400-h348/2.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p style="text-align: left;">Since one page from the Morgan v. Lee case was missing from the file I'm doing a little more research on the case in Virginia determined papers at FamilySearch. Not knowing exactly when the case ended it's been difficult to find in those papers. </p><p style="text-align: left;">Not sure what became of Betty? Sadly, someone like her wouldn't have had any good future prospects in 1794 America. The best outcome would have been that she was granted her freedom because no one wanted to buy her. </p>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-62646286781836161772023-10-03T14:19:00.003-07:002023-10-05T14:23:02.073-07:00Finding An Ancestor's Land On A Map/ a challenging processWhen I visited Virginia and Tennessee this past July and August I wanted to visit the location of my ancestors' land. I had descriptions of the approximate location because creeks were mentioned in their deeds. Since creeks can run for many miles it's difficult to say where, exactly, their land was?<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div>Virginia does have county historical maps that were produced by a cartographer. These maps show approximate locations of early settlers' land. They were produced by H. R. Hildebrand. My ancestor Moses Wray is listed in the Franklin County. Virginia map. I wondered what the source for these locations were? I did some research in the courthouses and didn't see any information there pinpointing land locations? I did find a description of what the sources were at the <a href="https://dc.etsu.edu/rare-maps/160/">East Tennessee State University website.</a> "Compiled from old maps, historical records, and traditions by J.R. Hildebrand." The fact some of the locations were based on traditions worried me a little. I had taken these maps more literally. I now felt like I needed to verify the approximate location, also. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLYUQ9X2vOdwMnFJbSCxonBPInGfCWbpzQMApPWZy5mlrkTlkvsSgbi-m86mYfoW9Z7SOKoCp7t9uWDkU8n2QkLAu9fYm9-hYyVAvN5tI4X-aPqhEIY-t9Vz22vV9PppED1saS1P24N-dZAvEYe_lN6RXyDrvO8CVoVWgdmgOhYcs3tb80XNrb1bkMRQgc/s1348/377980155_10230727113711744_2194454783262212146_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="763" data-original-width="1348" height="181" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLYUQ9X2vOdwMnFJbSCxonBPInGfCWbpzQMApPWZy5mlrkTlkvsSgbi-m86mYfoW9Z7SOKoCp7t9uWDkU8n2QkLAu9fYm9-hYyVAvN5tI4X-aPqhEIY-t9Vz22vV9PppED1saS1P24N-dZAvEYe_lN6RXyDrvO8CVoVWgdmgOhYcs3tb80XNrb1bkMRQgc/s320/377980155_10230727113711744_2194454783262212146_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div></div><div><br /></div><div><div>I visited a surveyor's office in Rocky Mount because I thought they might have some tips regarding locating an ancestor's land. The office had some hunting trophies (which reminded me of my grandfather Forgey who liked to keep taxidermy animals). </div></div></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgE51M7UXYqELR5DVY45k_JPhk8KOe6V3vqZ2kHZ7qSeRHAiMXQapm0fjlUD7j5GWmMnCk1lxQm3JSKQzI9LwBSEFfjtlgJ-eQBI9UvxkOD3XJIQcC-t_k5VyGxrY5le8bWAeNJbGqEwZtB_vgIsQ_m00Au4JtqnImIB9burvkHlrjd1ZGYqw_mAf77g0gO/s4032/PXL_20230814_162958784.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2268" data-original-width="4032" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgE51M7UXYqELR5DVY45k_JPhk8KOe6V3vqZ2kHZ7qSeRHAiMXQapm0fjlUD7j5GWmMnCk1lxQm3JSKQzI9LwBSEFfjtlgJ-eQBI9UvxkOD3XJIQcC-t_k5VyGxrY5le8bWAeNJbGqEwZtB_vgIsQ_m00Au4JtqnImIB9burvkHlrjd1ZGYqw_mAf77g0gO/s320/PXL_20230814_162958784.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>The surveyor's suggestion was to trace the land ownership forward using deeds. Once the current owners information is found the exact location of the land can be found using tax records. </div><div><br /></div><div>I attempted to trace the land forward using deeds, but quickly lost the ownership trail. Could be later owners didn't file deeds? I wasn't sure why I was having problems? I decided to try to trace the land ownership backward instead. </div><div><br /></div><div>So how do you find current land ownership information? The best way is to use a parcel land viewer. There are many of these online and free to use. Franklin County, Virginia's parcel map is located at the <a href="https://gis.franklincountyva.gov/compviewer/index.html">ArcGIS Franklin County, Virginia website</a>. </div><div><br /></div><div>Moses Wray owned land on Maggodee Creek and White Oak Creek in Boones Mill. White Oak Creek on Google Maps is mismarked Gills Creek. That creek runs east west whereas White Oak creek runs more north south and eventually meets the Blackwater River. </div><div><br /></div><div>The most accurate topo maps are on the USGS website. They have maps showing creeks going back to the 19th century right up to the present. I was thinking the name of White Oak creek changed when I didn't find it on Google Maps. That slowed my progress locating the land. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj49LN8lTX1zDR1aaB4ar8XwTxiI5i1pFOh2TwTfi7uVzEkkn9tTavfr6BxqUWiQRChQqXptK7OfE-HIRU7qRWHGiPODEpTvalK3AfFyv8MQ7ubZY6tfmROqNXahQp_lj8a6t66Irb3zopJxSj4YFfx9hp-OPTVgGTsqe7tnN20oyVe89sBC7-RCWIBA40y/s1778/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20104630%20USGS%20map.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="865" data-original-width="1778" height="195" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj49LN8lTX1zDR1aaB4ar8XwTxiI5i1pFOh2TwTfi7uVzEkkn9tTavfr6BxqUWiQRChQqXptK7OfE-HIRU7qRWHGiPODEpTvalK3AfFyv8MQ7ubZY6tfmROqNXahQp_lj8a6t66Irb3zopJxSj4YFfx9hp-OPTVgGTsqe7tnN20oyVe89sBC7-RCWIBA40y/w400-h195/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20104630%20USGS%20map.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div>What I know from the deeds is Moses Wray had land on Maggodee Creek and White Oak Creek. using the USGS map I found the creek. Since White Oak Creek flows into Maggodee creek I guessed the land is in that area. </div><div><br /></div><div>Now I had a general location to search the parcel map at ArcGIS. My hope was actually to find someone with the surname still owning the land in the area, but I was thinking I would likely have to trace the many parcels backward. </div><div><br /></div><div>Clicking the first few parcels I didn't see any surnames I recognized. To my surprise I did click on a parcel owned by someone with the surname Wray! I've decided to contact this current Wray owner and ask if he knows whether Moses Wray owned his land. They'll probably think I'm crazy but the worst that could happen is I don't get a reply. </div><div><br /></div><div>If you look at the blue outline of the land currently owned by a Wray it gives us an idea of how much land the family once owned. The current owner owns 86 acres. The Wrays owned hundreds of acres in this area. Their land would have covered a substantial amount of land on White Oak Creek. That creek is shorter than Maggodee Creek. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhI-thTWDllQ6uq11B1z_fy343Si0B466YBYwNEIKydEGF0IlhCrvSxeVXwbu1t9THniUQcYC2urhSZ3fqDh9PKdDomxMZ-MOLvr0vQa_2P5_u2m3FUTtCDBHiPG2zt7HOy4-s3W02UOX4fpPCKGzuh45_K2rhxlUV593m9gEB4Br795jiCSoKKQHcyHmdO/s1835/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20100952%20Wray%20land%20on%20parcel%20map.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="852" data-original-width="1835" height="186" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhI-thTWDllQ6uq11B1z_fy343Si0B466YBYwNEIKydEGF0IlhCrvSxeVXwbu1t9THniUQcYC2urhSZ3fqDh9PKdDomxMZ-MOLvr0vQa_2P5_u2m3FUTtCDBHiPG2zt7HOy4-s3W02UOX4fpPCKGzuh45_K2rhxlUV593m9gEB4Br795jiCSoKKQHcyHmdO/w400-h186/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20100952%20Wray%20land%20on%20parcel%20map.png" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Now that I have a better approximation of where the Wray land was, how accurate is the H. R. Hildebrand map? Since there is no scale on this map it's tough to say. Hildebrand did have Moses Wray's name written on the correct side of the highway. Comparing where the current Wray land owner owns land Moses Wray's land would have been about 3 miles east of the highway. The Hildebrand map is generally right but would give some people the false impression Moses Wray's land was closer to the highway and farther north than it likely was. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixeyW2lsMjGAh77lU0D13rr9_9Xe1v6Yehzp-FkAyNTNmaMAV0Fstic5ktbu_TmMZy4vjyjNsSVcFa9RmTw0R1D5n6trQ4g8VfbtwKUu808G8oa4Pytn83vwwCfYlM-p-0F7KZDWkmyhLm5h4zTUYg6NOT4PRVIuNEjVMnGtJmHBiD41-YKehiOBTJ7Wzt/s1312/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20141508%20combined.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="466" data-original-width="1312" height="229" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixeyW2lsMjGAh77lU0D13rr9_9Xe1v6Yehzp-FkAyNTNmaMAV0Fstic5ktbu_TmMZy4vjyjNsSVcFa9RmTw0R1D5n6trQ4g8VfbtwKUu808G8oa4Pytn83vwwCfYlM-p-0F7KZDWkmyhLm5h4zTUYg6NOT4PRVIuNEjVMnGtJmHBiD41-YKehiOBTJ7Wzt/w640-h229/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20141508%20combined.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div style="text-align: left;">The current Wray landowner, on White Oak creek, owns parcel 7. Two of Moses Wray's sons inherited what they called lots 4 and 5. I wonder if two other sons inherited lots 6 and 7? I have no idea whether the numbering is the same? </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjH1QkYXxaJIZ7jf05LBQBDyQU0xMx3zX5d6RnnqhAiUbsw2j0g9rxl0ZyEDOVIb2i1Qn4IykehY4YTNFOdj8Q_lE2oxf_EQPCAgh4L8MPmV5jjM959S_xsTfDar4JT4AslmAKz9FgfzSiMHeE-3AQv2I8WdO66QTL3v8wPR3mZsa_yd7ZFeRlK9Y8qmIIp/s1552/381173608_10230771499621364_1446347049117863921_n%20(1).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="962" data-original-width="1552" height="198" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjH1QkYXxaJIZ7jf05LBQBDyQU0xMx3zX5d6RnnqhAiUbsw2j0g9rxl0ZyEDOVIb2i1Qn4IykehY4YTNFOdj8Q_lE2oxf_EQPCAgh4L8MPmV5jjM959S_xsTfDar4JT4AslmAKz9FgfzSiMHeE-3AQv2I8WdO66QTL3v8wPR3mZsa_yd7ZFeRlK9Y8qmIIp/s320/381173608_10230771499621364_1446347049117863921_n%20(1).jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Moving on to Tennessee I wasn't so lucky. I'm looking for ancestor Hugh Forgey's land. Unfortunately the Forgey family didn't stay in the Corryton, Knox County, Tennessee area. Since Hugh Forgey's land was described as being at the head of Little Flat Creek I have a general idea of where the land was located. I tried to again trace parcels backward and forward to get the exact location of the land. The Forgey land was probably broken up into smaller parcels, and I haven't been able to establish the exact location of the land. Hugh Forgey owned 300 acres of land. The current owners in the area own much smaller parcels of land. The map outline, below, shows 7 acres. Hugh Forgey's land would have covered a large portion of the Little Flat Creek area. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVQQQGFnld-XxBJqpbxznG4oyFDhs5_Cot7E5DV7ZtG1zcm44qocwgpi2SMp8He2FVTIpTe09OxLKe5QPD7hz49jVcu-ArTYRCKgfQEqIIglD7P5TQpZkT5blc-N6nvOBBM85_fN1w6qp2VpyaA5a33V1Uc7_jM2PiBJ1twscneZTLXwO2-ExNGayVR_rT/s1372/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20135918%20knox%20parcel.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="738" data-original-width="1372" height="172" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVQQQGFnld-XxBJqpbxznG4oyFDhs5_Cot7E5DV7ZtG1zcm44qocwgpi2SMp8He2FVTIpTe09OxLKe5QPD7hz49jVcu-ArTYRCKgfQEqIIglD7P5TQpZkT5blc-N6nvOBBM85_fN1w6qp2VpyaA5a33V1Uc7_jM2PiBJ1twscneZTLXwO2-ExNGayVR_rT/s320/Screenshot%202023-10-03%20135918%20knox%20parcel.png" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div>The online parcel maps showing current landowners has been helpful when it comes to finding the names of current landowners, and viewing how the land has been broken up into smaller parcels. Great tool for genealogists! <br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div><br /></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-48073340135415711682023-09-20T14:12:00.003-07:002023-09-20T17:04:28.429-07:00Research Trip Serendipity<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJCzpzrRMxWwX6qPzcvlvvW32Hpv42DramFPfuK3B-maoe0cI0HmIeobjAANsqcIMSF8Xz5As1n35mIG05ZE_xgSxs1MbK0sO-7s0_0qNtqAvx62nqKHbWS9rEx7Of-RvrSuRmwaObElDwaaa2zRSg-51QFUhH7O8cEoBFPr1x_MfrSu_QM1OG4At2-URd/s4032/PXL_20230814_174437454.PORTRAIT.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2268" data-original-width="4032" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJCzpzrRMxWwX6qPzcvlvvW32Hpv42DramFPfuK3B-maoe0cI0HmIeobjAANsqcIMSF8Xz5As1n35mIG05ZE_xgSxs1MbK0sO-7s0_0qNtqAvx62nqKHbWS9rEx7Of-RvrSuRmwaObElDwaaa2zRSg-51QFUhH7O8cEoBFPr1x_MfrSu_QM1OG4At2-URd/s320/PXL_20230814_174437454.PORTRAIT.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><p><br /></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;">I took a trip to the Virginia Piedmont area and East Tennessee in August. My Wray and McPike ancestors were from the Piedmont area of Virginia. I started my journey in Lynchburg where I visited the Jones Memorial Library which is a genealogy library. <br /><br />Traveling around Lynchburg was easy. The city has a bus system, it’s pretty limited but cheaper than renting a car or using Uber or Lyft.</p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><br /></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbCsX5PYvkJ_oUtQUEn8k-87Ep9FgGNt13Jn6J0s8fUcORA8blO6ZpS5K7XassaBwH83lIAuxnhOLBlg_zB55FUaufvmKezbTJMWdsEtpL-STgDkY2e3ZK7N0TtvOgmhCQytO4rZqbY0wlfBu-DmJx1m72fRYcAuMTwQ_Mm5jUbN0kDGjMpMVcgdoU9YZL/s4032/PXL_20230730_142508840.jpg" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbCsX5PYvkJ_oUtQUEn8k-87Ep9FgGNt13Jn6J0s8fUcORA8blO6ZpS5K7XassaBwH83lIAuxnhOLBlg_zB55FUaufvmKezbTJMWdsEtpL-STgDkY2e3ZK7N0TtvOgmhCQytO4rZqbY0wlfBu-DmJx1m72fRYcAuMTwQ_Mm5jUbN0kDGjMpMVcgdoU9YZL/s320/PXL_20230730_142508840.jpg" /></a></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0Pqs8RfkItfpX9kWDnJK8Cyz-Unqh50WtwTjCiDmwJBztOm6P0mgSZTUDzyA39Ye1v3d-qsXJgxwdyYTzIGxZ7RHgWRvdU35C-5bdejfpWV2On9Er_3UzJDCKSrD5yr0VAphHsjEysBygyyBVqaf8FUA7qyxyyCa7Hqr8deONIhxwKhV7e1Hji2Jdzk4V/s4032/PXL_20230730_143608775.jpg"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0Pqs8RfkItfpX9kWDnJK8Cyz-Unqh50WtwTjCiDmwJBztOm6P0mgSZTUDzyA39Ye1v3d-qsXJgxwdyYTzIGxZ7RHgWRvdU35C-5bdejfpWV2On9Er_3UzJDCKSrD5yr0VAphHsjEysBygyyBVqaf8FUA7qyxyyCa7Hqr8deONIhxwKhV7e1Hji2Jdzk4V/s320/PXL_20230730_143608775.jpg" /></a><br /><br />From Lynchburg I moved onto Franklin County, Virginia. I took a Greyhound bus from Lynchburg to Roanoke (I found out train service was also available and I probably should have taken the train). Roanoke being a city it was easy to get a Lyft to my hotel in Franklin County. <div><br /></div><div>I arrived in Rocky Mount on a Saturday. I was told by the front desk person at my hotel that there was no public transportation, Uber or Lyft. The one car rental agency was closed until Monday. I wanted to travel about 12 miles to Boones Mill where some of my ancestors lived. I decided to try to schedule a Lyft for Sunday morning.<br /><br />A Lyft driver did pickup the ride. I believe they picked it up because the wrong pickup location was given to them. I received a message that the driver had arrived, but didn’t see him? I called to ask where his car was. We then discovered he was about 20 minutes away from me. He agreed to pick me up anyway. If he knew I was farther away he probably wouldn’t have picked me up. <br /><br />Talking to him on the way to Boones Mill we discovered we had a mutual interest in visiting cemeteries. He agreed to take me to cemeteries, and other places of interest, if I paid cash for his gas.<p></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiL7wCvMBws7JdgREOYMKtvuQiY2OFANv3kCbjU4kUW1_p3hOja8TfnCQg5jXlqmSfxyCs-Bm4TuqQaSUfRPuRIa6D5eIhNAPj4xFJK9VgKyPLoRlxD6WV05C_LBd1J22s-VotlwU_-mbhqy1__9Yg4lcUeHoBlV9Gj2mRicL92urwvtKw9n_4hRpjD2nuT/s4032/PXL_20230816_135058092.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiL7wCvMBws7JdgREOYMKtvuQiY2OFANv3kCbjU4kUW1_p3hOja8TfnCQg5jXlqmSfxyCs-Bm4TuqQaSUfRPuRIa6D5eIhNAPj4xFJK9VgKyPLoRlxD6WV05C_LBd1J22s-VotlwU_-mbhqy1__9Yg4lcUeHoBlV9Gj2mRicL92urwvtKw9n_4hRpjD2nuT/s320/PXL_20230816_135058092.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhCRTjcI_S2pLVR5rdS4w5Vx3Mgy4O2fVnVJEMYsVViFtU6_UrTM0FLh6EOxu_aXyMMoFZAOLYyEKgual-WLkIptd3mwHGCJIwXnV2io0IervHNj8x3aH5ZmpbqUvD1adadwGwQZq9ySqN4J2F2QjqC4Dm3s9Ad49UynP1skgoTE2L0taJJY57Vr_OmkDD0/s4032/PXL_20230815_174624439.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhCRTjcI_S2pLVR5rdS4w5Vx3Mgy4O2fVnVJEMYsVViFtU6_UrTM0FLh6EOxu_aXyMMoFZAOLYyEKgual-WLkIptd3mwHGCJIwXnV2io0IervHNj8x3aH5ZmpbqUvD1adadwGwQZq9ySqN4J2F2QjqC4Dm3s9Ad49UynP1skgoTE2L0taJJY57Vr_OmkDD0/s320/PXL_20230815_174624439.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiv97459nUVbosK5ldhgENI9sAYp1r5MgvZmKnbJ2VyAayXIWRHkgba-FU9SwrIqw6rRzTrPjqmWMhioGs9bJ2gjYFGyd2MGQqVHFYh1FQLZcDcgCScO3-4xfqp2qDoLJioicJ662K93i8D6_BY8DlHfr4VJpeiAAP2vB0RNt3jLLQodRzuB18dSdN7vGU_/s4032/PXL_20230815_122415737.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiv97459nUVbosK5ldhgENI9sAYp1r5MgvZmKnbJ2VyAayXIWRHkgba-FU9SwrIqw6rRzTrPjqmWMhioGs9bJ2gjYFGyd2MGQqVHFYh1FQLZcDcgCScO3-4xfqp2qDoLJioicJ662K93i8D6_BY8DlHfr4VJpeiAAP2vB0RNt3jLLQodRzuB18dSdN7vGU_/s320/PXL_20230815_122415737.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;">I had worried about getting back from Boones Mills. He agreed to come back and pick me up later. If he hadn’t picked me up I would have called a taxi in Roanoke, and it would have cost a fortune and there would be no guarantee they would pick me up.</p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><br /></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;">Since the driver knew the area I saw more of the area than I would have on my own. He has family living in Boones Mills. I didn’t lose any precious time waiting to rent a car and didn’t get stranded somewhere without the ability to get back. When I was in Lynchburg I visited Poplar Forest, but couldn’t visit the town of Bedford without a car. I wanted to do some research there. The Lyft driver took me to Bedford where I was able to see and hold an ancestor's 1767 will.</p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg28KTG_WcgEAJixSXwmVNOYeCemkoM-Y406QEOfPnPvxhi17_wZpBEso2ZYoJYEdO03Pwkg7UgTlRgq1dADWkiN4WvwnLlHR7lNcuMqHuU7eUqHdAe4a4KQg0WiZyX0Klh0-pxyXEZ_OmsLZPHL6yLuTuSWA6oyrhyw7OGnEFxsj-redzCpZ36IBwVznuE/s4032/PXL_20230815_151845762%20-%20Copy.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg28KTG_WcgEAJixSXwmVNOYeCemkoM-Y406QEOfPnPvxhi17_wZpBEso2ZYoJYEdO03Pwkg7UgTlRgq1dADWkiN4WvwnLlHR7lNcuMqHuU7eUqHdAe4a4KQg0WiZyX0Klh0-pxyXEZ_OmsLZPHL6yLuTuSWA6oyrhyw7OGnEFxsj-redzCpZ36IBwVznuE/s320/PXL_20230815_151845762%20-%20Copy.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCvVQ6xbO94Kg7kWd4piexQsbkwWHwiGqpIrTO_YE_0KDQPgG56SlBPBS4QHzOeBfsyf9a56eaxWhIu9ZFIqO4e-SZ2UPeHraHWUZxcQN2z1f00dyBa0YV4d8V-RSjYOebjW-_iojSGLUcefKH16cBwDZ6KTDGDmtITlsVCNihzgONXnuzcu28Iv75RPUm/s4032/PXL_20230815_154150262.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCvVQ6xbO94Kg7kWd4piexQsbkwWHwiGqpIrTO_YE_0KDQPgG56SlBPBS4QHzOeBfsyf9a56eaxWhIu9ZFIqO4e-SZ2UPeHraHWUZxcQN2z1f00dyBa0YV4d8V-RSjYOebjW-_iojSGLUcefKH16cBwDZ6KTDGDmtITlsVCNihzgONXnuzcu28Iv75RPUm/s320/PXL_20230815_154150262.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgh6niJXpzPOFy-80DyCeJ_M1S0z6cSvfdhlwvbHSgHnIPYEKvgnlYjXdN3HMK4_gpDL23IxAaYSKJQnApG-Q4v2NDPVM1D723i6Xh8HLiVUYrsn5AdpL4LLDREcoTzeg_PypoRSP2rUEk9ACQRf0LAatqkI3t1nEXk-0TcwXRh4KNlEPsHl25UQbW36eQx/s4032/PXL_20230815_154202826.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgh6niJXpzPOFy-80DyCeJ_M1S0z6cSvfdhlwvbHSgHnIPYEKvgnlYjXdN3HMK4_gpDL23IxAaYSKJQnApG-Q4v2NDPVM1D723i6Xh8HLiVUYrsn5AdpL4LLDREcoTzeg_PypoRSP2rUEk9ACQRf0LAatqkI3t1nEXk-0TcwXRh4KNlEPsHl25UQbW36eQx/s320/PXL_20230815_154202826.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I also met a friend of the Lyft driver who is distantly related to me. She knew quite a bit about our shared Wray family. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>When I went on to Knoxville, Tennessee I was able to get around easily using buses, and walking. I decided to visit the rural area where my Forgey family came from one day. Like Roanoke it was easy to get a Lyft to the Corryton area. I worried a little about getting back. I again figured I could call a taxi if worse came to worse. <br /><br />It seemed the easiest to set my ride destination as the Nicholas Gibbs log house. I had been wanting to take a closer look at that house after reading about an archaeological dig there. Also my ancestor Hugh Forgey was acquainted with Nicholas Gibbs because Gibbs posted a bond for Hugh. The Lyft driver had difficulty finding the log house. We did finally find it. The house is operated by the local historical society. I was just going to look in the windows, and then walk around the area where I believe my family’s land was. <br /><br />There were phone numbers on one of the windows. I decided to call and ask if it would be possible to go inside the house? By chance one of the volunteers was in the area and came right over and showed me around.<div><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"></p><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSaarPLaDyc_kWpsNBcJ1IAHSC7gk6NPfzpV0WfSrB7I0HnS2evBLUoFs3rMOLEsw5-rbe-B4jNo1DBexya0IAiNVs9DnyuMQo3fKnCbfjkqZa4MShiElWFqB9XVtjCsSvZS5jBL_txEz1gmAw62Cgdk7-zRCWWlOFL0BcW2ecQkkqKVySKYb9o0lc3AeB/s4032/PXL_20230823_134028428.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSaarPLaDyc_kWpsNBcJ1IAHSC7gk6NPfzpV0WfSrB7I0HnS2evBLUoFs3rMOLEsw5-rbe-B4jNo1DBexya0IAiNVs9DnyuMQo3fKnCbfjkqZa4MShiElWFqB9XVtjCsSvZS5jBL_txEz1gmAw62Cgdk7-zRCWWlOFL0BcW2ecQkkqKVySKYb9o0lc3AeB/s320/PXL_20230823_134028428.jpg" /></a></div><br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpojYI-sznKZTsTkYAf0wRKxSW03yHCrq38DXlwSagwlXd5I_QFcnzXDKN9-2W7CxRBqeurlpZzKGc5Jv8HSAuUeJRrPrjS66Ssfcu9_UZhdPp0ITUou3yfXlFnEc94r54YWeC90t43Pb6v6imJGp4LbOFFE-r_qzfR3PNhmGn0NPVHjMLuu4P7GM4w5IZ/s4032/PXL_20230823_134756476.jpg" style="text-align: left;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpojYI-sznKZTsTkYAf0wRKxSW03yHCrq38DXlwSagwlXd5I_QFcnzXDKN9-2W7CxRBqeurlpZzKGc5Jv8HSAuUeJRrPrjS66Ssfcu9_UZhdPp0ITUou3yfXlFnEc94r54YWeC90t43Pb6v6imJGp4LbOFFE-r_qzfR3PNhmGn0NPVHjMLuu4P7GM4w5IZ/s320/PXL_20230823_134756476.jpg" /></a></div><br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgP91eV_3J-ZbRwkJljlBXNt5f0blAF9zyDQH-7xkbFry7twzEe_jmuni-jq4_Kva29-_IqQBvOkjc2YBE2izbEBSp5vdHDW4BDn_3YiwGX1JY09obwrNIN44EFSZJObWu5OIQGT6R7enqvTCI8do3tLWJy1YrPI86Q9vzzN5LpwM6gBpppcEdQlFKY4FBI/s4032/PXL_20230823_135710049.jpg" style="text-align: left;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgP91eV_3J-ZbRwkJljlBXNt5f0blAF9zyDQH-7xkbFry7twzEe_jmuni-jq4_Kva29-_IqQBvOkjc2YBE2izbEBSp5vdHDW4BDn_3YiwGX1JY09obwrNIN44EFSZJObWu5OIQGT6R7enqvTCI8do3tLWJy1YrPI86Q9vzzN5LpwM6gBpppcEdQlFKY4FBI/s320/PXL_20230823_135710049.jpg" /></a></div><br />As I did everywhere I went I asked if the volunteer knew anything about the Forgey family? He said absolutely. He found a trunk full of papers in an old house in the area and there were a few documents with the surname Forgey. He told me most of the papers were now at the Calvin M. McClung Genealogy Library in Knoxville. I had been there several times and didn't know about that special collection. I planned on returning to that library later in the day.</div><div><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;">The volunteer, Mr. Longmire, was very nice. He offered to take me around in his truck and show me the area where my ancestors lived. Again I lucked out. It was very hot and humid and would have been difficult for me to walk very far. Actually the area where my family's land was turned out to be farther from the Gibbs house than I thought. It was about 3 miles away. He also took me to the Sawyers house where the many of the papers found in the trunk were originally stored. They were actually moved to the McBee house, which he also showed. A Sawyer's daughter married a McBee. These families were related to the Forgey family by marriage.</p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhM7PMk_TY8eK7YKPJB9vGkEpRgPb_uDftKzhvOZ0dFiTW5BkXWAS463i_rS9EE8ZQ-9bVgLjz_JwgjDlcVsK7SlDh1nr7baDS1uZ7nNLSf2mbfXTwh2RSy8FsmR8tszqx36Qvymu-BzvS2rTUHDaN9q-PN8GsqXW53Cyh2zP_NTd26jgbqVgYuy_xeKicC/s4032/PXL_20230823_142000919.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhM7PMk_TY8eK7YKPJB9vGkEpRgPb_uDftKzhvOZ0dFiTW5BkXWAS463i_rS9EE8ZQ-9bVgLjz_JwgjDlcVsK7SlDh1nr7baDS1uZ7nNLSf2mbfXTwh2RSy8FsmR8tszqx36Qvymu-BzvS2rTUHDaN9q-PN8GsqXW53Cyh2zP_NTd26jgbqVgYuy_xeKicC/s320/PXL_20230823_142000919.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZKA1MEJYc32ZHtEVgeOuHWn4XJRh_SAnAuLILmUXpBo6p__xznK9u3QygrR7yh98eiiHdtUw6hJ5D0sso1mn-bQd_jh_6DetyIRrb-3y11Xxtod2uYOki5jOSdusjtd1Ws4iV3568LEYVF18os6FraEV5jFouwN3ELPOC-62Jxn_tXJ4_rPWo5ldUMvXA/s4032/PXL_20230823_142257917.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZKA1MEJYc32ZHtEVgeOuHWn4XJRh_SAnAuLILmUXpBo6p__xznK9u3QygrR7yh98eiiHdtUw6hJ5D0sso1mn-bQd_jh_6DetyIRrb-3y11Xxtod2uYOki5jOSdusjtd1Ws4iV3568LEYVF18os6FraEV5jFouwN3ELPOC-62Jxn_tXJ4_rPWo5ldUMvXA/s320/PXL_20230823_142257917.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglo_12xIeeWbEbW8ThstcHusohlWxFZPPKU-zKUeHICNSXvx2ZgEv03CNEQ5g9G0rqo7CaEEQYsldP7ECak7L7mo9rJ3LCDCyKfDYTOdDw3pF3TMlJf7P_8HZ0KhKzVOS1VChjNUExAWZG4K9xBs2oGfUyE3DmFjfTIWaaNl_L2_9CCi5DOXLiWDV-DJ4Q/s4032/PXL_20230823_154032845.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglo_12xIeeWbEbW8ThstcHusohlWxFZPPKU-zKUeHICNSXvx2ZgEv03CNEQ5g9G0rqo7CaEEQYsldP7ECak7L7mo9rJ3LCDCyKfDYTOdDw3pF3TMlJf7P_8HZ0KhKzVOS1VChjNUExAWZG4K9xBs2oGfUyE3DmFjfTIWaaNl_L2_9CCi5DOXLiWDV-DJ4Q/s320/PXL_20230823_154032845.jpg" /></a></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"></p><div style="text-align: center;"> </div><br />Mr. Longmire also showed me his collection of genealogy material at his house. I also met his wife, and dog. He left me off at a Target where I was able to get a Lyft back to Knoxville, that was ideal. I couldn't believe my luck meeting up with him!<br /><br />I spent 2 days going through the McBee/Sawyers papers at the Calvin M. McClung collection. There were documents naming Forgeys, and Civil War letters that were fascinating.<div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg6Hiub9iBHPfcuSaLAY3YY_W-kfrvUbsGWuZ3_tvLSUvNw78fWf97gmv9iKq4ZNDz9I5KkhPecYGcSYtVgfWDW02jPEzo9kkhlWfRcuODujH5E-W_3Ph1JYnj5U3DNl0yO4MzeooZddUljsfUPe4otYLFXMcF4kIfjQUOsDkAdfyCNvYE1QWG2xFuple2s/s4032/PXL_20230823_184155507.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg6Hiub9iBHPfcuSaLAY3YY_W-kfrvUbsGWuZ3_tvLSUvNw78fWf97gmv9iKq4ZNDz9I5KkhPecYGcSYtVgfWDW02jPEzo9kkhlWfRcuODujH5E-W_3Ph1JYnj5U3DNl0yO4MzeooZddUljsfUPe4otYLFXMcF4kIfjQUOsDkAdfyCNvYE1QWG2xFuple2s/s320/PXL_20230823_184155507.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjEbaArCrIHNrh6LmdAo_b16MCYGhNMi6cd14SNFwldFDGGSsrEW5KAC9gSxl3IndvLkvnNRqDJfT6OFSzqtI38BbwYWnLl7ODAoWkfPMiH4mVlwe5ouLjUZmdhXhS7SmfCkrwElIRFawtpZqLLMCXWog7xjskIZQ0ZtQAeIj-ukvpg6stk55_n-clwfzdc/s4032/PXL_20230823_211914776.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjEbaArCrIHNrh6LmdAo_b16MCYGhNMi6cd14SNFwldFDGGSsrEW5KAC9gSxl3IndvLkvnNRqDJfT6OFSzqtI38BbwYWnLl7ODAoWkfPMiH4mVlwe5ouLjUZmdhXhS7SmfCkrwElIRFawtpZqLLMCXWog7xjskIZQ0ZtQAeIj-ukvpg6stk55_n-clwfzdc/s320/PXL_20230823_211914776.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div><br />In hindsight, not renting a car for this journey turned out to be a blessing in disguise. The challenges I faced led to unexpected encounters, deeper insights, and a richer understanding of my ancestral roots. My trip reinforced the notion that on a research trip, the more people you engage with, the more you are likely to learn.<br /><br /><br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVmZbLhYuy_mfLzodz6-Fopu1ApW1tA-nYIOgosCDN_dt4ZVq5sk2HMD2OY6D_8VoHEnLMglk9Tqkp5K24yVsMgUBvvx-3srKY4xj822gLeC8qmUJsHVogmltKnkbFDhlxr2zxZR8u7ADEK5Z_gcJzcavEfQL16b3POJLGyulh8H-v_Rf5EOi5k_LvkXmw/s4032/PXL_20230819_145919763.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVmZbLhYuy_mfLzodz6-Fopu1ApW1tA-nYIOgosCDN_dt4ZVq5sk2HMD2OY6D_8VoHEnLMglk9Tqkp5K24yVsMgUBvvx-3srKY4xj822gLeC8qmUJsHVogmltKnkbFDhlxr2zxZR8u7ADEK5Z_gcJzcavEfQL16b3POJLGyulh8H-v_Rf5EOi5k_LvkXmw/s320/PXL_20230819_145919763.jpg" /></a></div></div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;">I also attended the all day History Hootenanny during my trip, which included historic home tours</span></div><blockquote style="border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div></blockquote><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_DypFiBcjByuBeOiysaJ071JIiBiMjeTOPlzwgSsRlCzfMzCcn2blm8ESZKWrN11cOgICgXayLBCI1_NGnDZlDGsvLjtSZG2nGj9A7b2MaeLE1fqw620SYJzhLmwFiSddX_7QDvKjTCsoiSHFe6Sru1LOI18nIZUBIUmiZY35ZD-y1p5BDYNNmM6xsBTX/s4032/PXL_20230819_153544970.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_DypFiBcjByuBeOiysaJ071JIiBiMjeTOPlzwgSsRlCzfMzCcn2blm8ESZKWrN11cOgICgXayLBCI1_NGnDZlDGsvLjtSZG2nGj9A7b2MaeLE1fqw620SYJzhLmwFiSddX_7QDvKjTCsoiSHFe6Sru1LOI18nIZUBIUmiZY35ZD-y1p5BDYNNmM6xsBTX/s320/PXL_20230819_153544970.jpg" /></a></div><div><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><p></p></div></div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-54212252683546177342023-07-25T08:18:00.004-07:002023-07-25T09:04:48.305-07:00My Wish Has Come True For An Every Name Index to Deeds at FamilySearch! <br /><h2 style="text-align: left;">United States Wills and Deeds Experimental Search</h2>What have I been wishing for years now? An every name index for deeds! I've been hoping for this for ages, and guess what? FamilySearch made my wish come true with their <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/search/textprototype/">new OCR search </a>that works as an every name index. How awesome is that?<div><br /></div><div>It actually also is a will index, and brings up other types of records too. <br /><br />It's about as accurate as the old newspapers indexed with OCR. It can be a bit hit and miss because of messy handwriting and fading text. But hey, no system is perfect!<div><br /></div><div>Also if your ancestral area prohibits FamilySearch from making their records available from anywhere you won't be able to see the actual documents, unless you visit the FamilySearch Library or a Family History Center. As you can see below one search result brought up one blank document. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVv3VSWAN2q5mGNAmuF3GJZiLhayM06Lw0h1f9lM28KOPJQfN4cp9e8e-Ts_QesrYNz_AquCIhFcztuJcddrpUK8oF-bQv-vImXUy11a7ptFS1vqFsqRJX35E3lOGBDuYsmgLCVqPinBKDzVxlBsvBJIpNmp039QZmw2DM8jJ1A6GzOqqBFNUaPbp1z4uW/s1566/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20072912.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="860" data-original-width="1566" height="220" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVv3VSWAN2q5mGNAmuF3GJZiLhayM06Lw0h1f9lM28KOPJQfN4cp9e8e-Ts_QesrYNz_AquCIhFcztuJcddrpUK8oF-bQv-vImXUy11a7ptFS1vqFsqRJX35E3lOGBDuYsmgLCVqPinBKDzVxlBsvBJIpNmp039QZmw2DM8jJ1A6GzOqqBFNUaPbp1z4uW/w400-h220/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20072912.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div>The second result, brought up by my surname search, did return an actual document. You can click on the transcript to see a transcribed copy of the document or just view the actual image of the original document. </div><div> </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5419LTmbQPyOX9-xnQeV5Fk3N4vHHASIDMkYi48JK0MQIsQgIqOAw8NdM7_BLID5B3VCpAf6MPGkGOXwcYnKaFCV0yWvsHE8guAnMjTKXFcos02lmXdg56vza-LjbceCRKpP7JOhlq9z5fjfAm0qVrdq9wJ15sGwjDlIbmw-ymbySpdzvfcMCeAI4PHcF/s901/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20073759.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="440" data-original-width="901" height="195" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5419LTmbQPyOX9-xnQeV5Fk3N4vHHASIDMkYi48JK0MQIsQgIqOAw8NdM7_BLID5B3VCpAf6MPGkGOXwcYnKaFCV0yWvsHE8guAnMjTKXFcos02lmXdg56vza-LjbceCRKpP7JOhlq9z5fjfAm0qVrdq9wJ15sGwjDlIbmw-ymbySpdzvfcMCeAI4PHcF/w400-h195/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20073759.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div>When you do view the original documents pages sometimes your search names are surrounded by red dotted lines, which are helpful. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisq2fg8MWLZNHFnSsVxAPaUYwBeFWK4TgE-h2DyieB1mA1yw-nQ3QuHy3vRLxSdhsaKrnZ4_iHPAWSdNf0WmECUFSqFszF7zf--sZkLHDINa_m42aCSqQegcicLPA8crY8Z7oYQofFgKe-5IoCgqZ3cKF3htQsNFfslyDw86fOQdCJDACS5GJYX3f1xr04/s1792/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20074613.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="428" data-original-width="1792" height="95" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisq2fg8MWLZNHFnSsVxAPaUYwBeFWK4TgE-h2DyieB1mA1yw-nQ3QuHy3vRLxSdhsaKrnZ4_iHPAWSdNf0WmECUFSqFszF7zf--sZkLHDINa_m42aCSqQegcicLPA8crY8Z7oYQofFgKe-5IoCgqZ3cKF3htQsNFfslyDw86fOQdCJDACS5GJYX3f1xr04/w400-h95/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20074613.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div>Oddly, sometimes, you can't turn the pages once you're on the image. That's a problem if your document is multiple pages. Also, these limited pages, don't have additional information so you can find the microfilm in the catalog. Most pages do, however, allow you to turn the pages and provide information about the source. </div><div><br />If I don't find what I'm looking for with one search, I brainstorm! I just tweak the search a bit. I was looking for a deed related to my several times great-grandfather, and at first, I couldn't find it. I then searched using his wife's name instead and it came up! <br /><br />I've been researching my family history for over 20 years and still I've found new information using this search. <div><br /></div><div>For instance I found a brief will for a 3 times great-grandfather. In all these years I've research I missed it somehow? </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKrOFucQXDiviOnBB67My1xkOVTcvdBF0EO_Giy8B1Byzwtie1LrbA0NZvsl65AhHEeqB3oMH2-UeGwT-PMPgFNNvUd89AnBFH5D6IvmwXYmgpohtSt683KId7FrJHfXAnYqy3W8XaKwo4Rn1z_8ZGQk80dP74CvwBcyf-a7AHFHUFakM9GFPjeC1uP7tS/s1038/Screenshot%202023-07-22%20210710%20William%20F.%20Owens%20%20Will.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="692" data-original-width="1038" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKrOFucQXDiviOnBB67My1xkOVTcvdBF0EO_Giy8B1Byzwtie1LrbA0NZvsl65AhHEeqB3oMH2-UeGwT-PMPgFNNvUd89AnBFH5D6IvmwXYmgpohtSt683KId7FrJHfXAnYqy3W8XaKwo4Rn1z_8ZGQk80dP74CvwBcyf-a7AHFHUFakM9GFPjeC1uP7tS/s320/Screenshot%202023-07-22%20210710%20William%20F.%20Owens%20%20Will.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>One piece of information scared me. I worried I identified the wrong family for my ancestor Nancy Melvin-Hicks. When searching for Nancy Melvin I found a will for James Blades. He said his sister was Nancy Melvin. I wondered if my Nancy Melvin married before and I was wrong about her parents being John Melvin and Mary Redden. Actually when the will was written my Mary Redden was married to Elijah Hicks. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh8hDIt2-Vd3l4zfH92HYu_zG0hhiY-ooyzqyP3s0vuvuBixJli9peJyO_H7GLeq1ycAN_ODTn6OooTss0WIOIVqpiZx_VsKq7v6GgoZJSVLXviwww37a8hLRbqeaXbsh9iMQzVhGNi6ttuhQpWw3u0AeZj_QxddDNFbf6qPe1Bbz1KA0-h74GYGR2y7aPk/s1167/361604584_10230318819104634_8905029181237239813_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="352" data-original-width="1167" height="121" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh8hDIt2-Vd3l4zfH92HYu_zG0hhiY-ooyzqyP3s0vuvuBixJli9peJyO_H7GLeq1ycAN_ODTn6OooTss0WIOIVqpiZx_VsKq7v6GgoZJSVLXviwww37a8hLRbqeaXbsh9iMQzVhGNi6ttuhQpWw3u0AeZj_QxddDNFbf6qPe1Bbz1KA0-h74GYGR2y7aPk/w400-h121/361604584_10230318819104634_8905029181237239813_n.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>I wanted to make sure so I researched this other family. I figured Melvin would have been Nancy's married name. I searched for a Melvin marrying a Blades and only found someone marrying after the will was written. I finally discovered Nancy Melvin was married to William Melvin and it was her second marriage, that's why I couldn't find a Blades/Melvin marriage before.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_ekwl3Ys3dHs1y7p2cJEx-TPscEhko8wNnUWG5Fi62L3UxTjnwf3BesrXX3Ss_KXh-wiF7wpnUwMXQAdNqnUrV0QfKJeqCowSPeb7ZpUwwo9XM72jAL_J8gWXxQSblhzwJDKNQeTT69n80-ozt9W1iF24aUNT533f7lsTnshMl46kFKJY5dBIMmPq3Wal/s902/363294303_10230319103591746_7336191659204496401_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="582" data-original-width="902" height="206" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_ekwl3Ys3dHs1y7p2cJEx-TPscEhko8wNnUWG5Fi62L3UxTjnwf3BesrXX3Ss_KXh-wiF7wpnUwMXQAdNqnUrV0QfKJeqCowSPeb7ZpUwwo9XM72jAL_J8gWXxQSblhzwJDKNQeTT69n80-ozt9W1iF24aUNT533f7lsTnshMl46kFKJY5dBIMmPq3Wal/s320/363294303_10230319103591746_7336191659204496401_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUbnZwl64X6ZM7NlgB9Z1nQumYh0sbVNSjNJGQkYXJOqcwtIwTGi2ro0ruRI6u-46my9dpZZ-JtEV_JnFPcMzeI5wQgBSfVCeofamptKLnQd2MMJV6KwtG6YPCgV7WuEvmj0k0_HZjhC3aqwQvRWO6A_hNICk29TTMfa4t86wFActUtjzvzRBiroK7abEj/s912/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20080221.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="567" data-original-width="912" height="199" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUbnZwl64X6ZM7NlgB9Z1nQumYh0sbVNSjNJGQkYXJOqcwtIwTGi2ro0ruRI6u-46my9dpZZ-JtEV_JnFPcMzeI5wQgBSfVCeofamptKLnQd2MMJV6KwtG6YPCgV7WuEvmj0k0_HZjhC3aqwQvRWO6A_hNICk29TTMfa4t86wFActUtjzvzRBiroK7abEj/s320/Screenshot%202023-07-25%20080221.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div><br />I've paged through countless deed books in my quest to learn about my ancestors. I don't have all the time in the world to go through hundreds of books from my ancestral areas. That would take forever! It would probably take indexers a lifetime to create every name indexes for all those deed books. That's a massive task!</div><div><br /></div><div>So, a big thank you to FamilySearch for this innovative OCR search feature. It might not be perfect, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. <br /><br /><br /></div></div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-57670382732990345472023-07-21T13:16:00.005-07:002023-07-21T19:35:50.947-07:00How My Segment Map Has Helped With An Irish MatchA new DNA match popped up at 23andMe with the surname Rattigan. This person lives in Ireland. This could refer back to my Huane/Rhatigan line? The only information I have about the maiden name of a great-great-great grandmother comes from a pension application with information from the 1851 Census. My great-great grandmother and her brother applied for pensions. The applications states the maiden name of their mother was Rhatigan. I haven't found any other information to support that. My new DNA match may confirm my great-great-great grandmother was Bridget Rhatigan? <p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpiFdxXLqLldvYQl70mpBxz138vriEPUkQGolJ0rshEutZz66ZQBTOSP5MQ4oeHIEzfQRjjklKrzdjUBdoCTl7awc0EdQiGpANBR1Xlzt8dxNPCuA6cdCN05rimPAL2usvKbpyENzczFl2_NQLJRNLNdy-FG1SOSl8UMVU79TleqI54CiVEf_t3CfcjQD8/s977/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20121820%20Rhatigan%20.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="658" data-original-width="977" height="216" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpiFdxXLqLldvYQl70mpBxz138vriEPUkQGolJ0rshEutZz66ZQBTOSP5MQ4oeHIEzfQRjjklKrzdjUBdoCTl7awc0EdQiGpANBR1Xlzt8dxNPCuA6cdCN05rimPAL2usvKbpyENzczFl2_NQLJRNLNdy-FG1SOSl8UMVU79TleqI54CiVEf_t3CfcjQD8/s320/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20121820%20Rhatigan%20.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>My new Rattigan match shares one 7 cM segment and one 28.46 cM segment. Sharing 2 segments leads me to believe this is a valid match, as does the person's paternal line is from County Mayo where my Rattigans would have lived. Checking Genome Mate Pro segment map I don't have any named segments on the 7 cM chromosome. <div><br /></div><div>I do have a portion of chromosome 21 identified as coming from my Irish Mullen/Huane line. Unfortunately I only know that a couple matches on that chromosome are of Irish heritage but don't know exactly who our common ancestors are? One lives in Australia. I live in the United States.</div><div><br /> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhruevE8PPpdq9pxzEELToMSh4BhwnkFyMWvSHfuxXr4HlK_LuEgPjtK9YJgqS5Gj3runt8_8yfQXa2DM7AN3dcXRGS5bpbJuDtNolMGx86VNJLchqjf_BE3KbokzA0GPKPNC4Oy09o5gBH8UJCwZBwZWZqr3dDwsIDU1Ln1fzY5o9nGUMwKzPrdKTTGn8n/s1576/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20094538%20Annette.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="866" data-original-width="1576" height="220" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhruevE8PPpdq9pxzEELToMSh4BhwnkFyMWvSHfuxXr4HlK_LuEgPjtK9YJgqS5Gj3runt8_8yfQXa2DM7AN3dcXRGS5bpbJuDtNolMGx86VNJLchqjf_BE3KbokzA0GPKPNC4Oy09o5gBH8UJCwZBwZWZqr3dDwsIDU1Ln1fzY5o9nGUMwKzPrdKTTGn8n/w400-h220/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20094538%20Annette.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p>Using my segment map I noticed the Australian match and the Irish Rattigan match share the exact same segment, along with another person. </p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJanPk71OQlyZYfGf89LjVGkf4AWHbRTqQy_VzckKnL6ADTuBvjZCCSiFpHovGdRX7dzVDBrskSp3zCzrhOo7IUx0JC4regGYVd51H3G_-SlDTNIpFm_sA1I1WmhJc-Ju7X6p2a4Tp8ZXk36c7vg6cFKF04IA4F5WoXXg_u1Gmr2W0uJmSMoFDgstDdMS0/s602/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20124115%20three%20people%20share%20the%20same%20segment.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="97" data-original-width="602" height="65" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJanPk71OQlyZYfGf89LjVGkf4AWHbRTqQy_VzckKnL6ADTuBvjZCCSiFpHovGdRX7dzVDBrskSp3zCzrhOo7IUx0JC4regGYVd51H3G_-SlDTNIpFm_sA1I1WmhJc-Ju7X6p2a4Tp8ZXk36c7vg6cFKF04IA4F5WoXXg_u1Gmr2W0uJmSMoFDgstDdMS0/w400-h65/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20124115%20three%20people%20share%20the%20same%20segment.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p>Unfortunately, I'm the only descendant of the Rattigan line who has tested at 23andMe. My aunt, who tested at Family Tree DNA, would be a better person to compare with this match. Fortunately I have the Genome Mate Pro segment map. Looking at the map I notice I do share a segment with my aunt on chromosome 21 where my 23andMe match and Australian match also do.</div><div><br /> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhACdbIyqd71tAgl8TNFuNbMScHFbpRNzKVNgW2YNKudiO58NZBggVUuja2IuUowoPl7RrMldt2Ve35JWAvkJup-SPX1SyevTuSbCG5_QJECL4X73Z1JGEPaquCt4mzJ4de6C-pKaDoJEgxIhbuZqWsx0pk-MLxL6czZBJ4wPSbz-5idaphng6EclLVjoCl/s1580/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20094107%20Loretta%20Mullen.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="845" data-original-width="1580" height="214" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhACdbIyqd71tAgl8TNFuNbMScHFbpRNzKVNgW2YNKudiO58NZBggVUuja2IuUowoPl7RrMldt2Ve35JWAvkJup-SPX1SyevTuSbCG5_QJECL4X73Z1JGEPaquCt4mzJ4de6C-pKaDoJEgxIhbuZqWsx0pk-MLxL6czZBJ4wPSbz-5idaphng6EclLVjoCl/w400-h214/Screenshot%202023-07-21%20094107%20Loretta%20Mullen.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p>I have that segment on my aunt's chromosome 21 identified as coming from a descendant of Thomas Huvane/Huane. The wife of Thomas Huane was Bridget Rhatigan according to the pension information. </p><p>At this time this match seems to be pointing to the Rattigan/Huane line of County Mayo, Ireland. We have the match stating her paternal line was from Mayo, I have segment map data confirming segment chr 21 is of Irish origin, and my aunt has a confirmed Huvane/Huane match on segment 21. </p><p>Since I have matches who haven't tested at every site, plus most of my matches on my Irish line have no posted trees, DNA segment data is very important. The reason they don't have trees is because most of the church records in the area where our ancestors lived have been destroyed. We need DNA and the segment information to try to piece our family trees together. I've contacted the match at 23andMe, but most matches never reply. Fingers crossed they do. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p><br /></p></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-67795424967420310952023-04-30T11:56:00.000-07:002023-04-30T11:56:06.049-07:00A Trip to the Past: Identifying places in old photos <br />Google Street View has been a useful tool for me to identify the location of some of our old family photos. However, it didn't help me identify the school in Glendale, California, where my mother posed with her Girl Scout troop. I've always been fascinated with this particular photo, as my mother loved her Girl Scout troop and their energetic leader Bunny. Bunny even led the girls on a hike up to the Griffith Park Observatory!<div><br /></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbseCGgCQ0NXAwcv6hYMlBfcPGj6KyvMVhKyxl1Uus4MVcGTaknwTHG-cn9wjMdmLKKlV2I9rYif5n-GZN_VTQSkRnfaDK1e8FtHIEzmz4-4ATl8ylfdiebPR4ungJOFAB_6-5fginD-GOjTq-vsNI_6gYCb07A6ZjXIJjSRq_z4oUQmIkgM9mN1aEfg/s5013/IMG_20230405_0037.tif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3191" data-original-width="5013" height="408" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbseCGgCQ0NXAwcv6hYMlBfcPGj6KyvMVhKyxl1Uus4MVcGTaknwTHG-cn9wjMdmLKKlV2I9rYif5n-GZN_VTQSkRnfaDK1e8FtHIEzmz4-4ATl8ylfdiebPR4ungJOFAB_6-5fginD-GOjTq-vsNI_6gYCb07A6ZjXIJjSRq_z4oUQmIkgM9mN1aEfg/w640-h408/IMG_20230405_0037.tif" width="640" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">They were dressed as Circus performers. One of the wagon in front belonged to my mother's family.</td></tr></tbody></table><br />I recalled seeing a street number on the building in the photo, but I didn't think to look at a city directory. Fortunately, someone on Facebook helped me identify the school as Columbus School. This person used a city directory to identify the school. </div><div><br /><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1SrVj4UVKaVBxKGfp8BZRjB8de8nZkR4-Brt1q528I8t6CZWkd1EOQKPRVmHQQEqJqI9GLqdlsS0by-NTzkbwjhvjp36vMEl1P-ZCyIM4D3reDZJUB2MZq5Q678mrwUiW-8M8NJklo5V15bgoRilzCYBu_wLm-JaxJNIEWH9ek25dbue11DVxmKpoJQ/s994/341345198_150522307960772_5006359856372933372_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="609" data-original-width="994" height="245" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1SrVj4UVKaVBxKGfp8BZRjB8de8nZkR4-Brt1q528I8t6CZWkd1EOQKPRVmHQQEqJqI9GLqdlsS0by-NTzkbwjhvjp36vMEl1P-ZCyIM4D3reDZJUB2MZq5Q678mrwUiW-8M8NJklo5V15bgoRilzCYBu_wLm-JaxJNIEWH9ek25dbue11DVxmKpoJQ/w400-h245/341345198_150522307960772_5006359856372933372_n.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>Upon further research, I discovered that Columbus School was founded in the 1890s with only 30 students, and has been rebuilt and added on to multiple times since. The buildings in my mother's time dated back to the 1920s, but the school was rebuilt again in 1949 and no longer bears any resemblance to the school my mother attended in the 1930s. Therefore, Google Street View would not have been helpful in this case.<br /><br />I was also unsure where a mission photo was taken. My mother's family often visited both the San Gabriel Mission and the San Fernando Mission, but I wasn't sure which one it was. I visited the San Fernando Mission for the first time yesterday and confirmed that it was the one in the photo. I could have used Google Street View or online photos to identify the mission, but it wasn't necessary in the end.<br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMdqeUex1xw2txMXJZlPt1fVSO10r_f-2VfvV2GBm6o_-n5A7O80b-ZPSg1HAUX3Y6Vw6hbkq9XVrUMjKFqAHNw_2xrBCJ98dujmiRJkKl5Cv1M5-HCsKDf4bZppOZD0ZtLs9a8Z757106Q-IlYEVvdgTQ1aG8LDlpQpVZnBu_6rq5HP1An_hrpdgpow/s2752/IMG_20230405_0069.tif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2752" data-original-width="1600" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMdqeUex1xw2txMXJZlPt1fVSO10r_f-2VfvV2GBm6o_-n5A7O80b-ZPSg1HAUX3Y6Vw6hbkq9XVrUMjKFqAHNw_2xrBCJ98dujmiRJkKl5Cv1M5-HCsKDf4bZppOZD0ZtLs9a8Z757106Q-IlYEVvdgTQ1aG8LDlpQpVZnBu_6rq5HP1An_hrpdgpow/w233-h400/IMG_20230405_0069.tif" width="233" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Old family photo of the San Fernando Mission</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGKGtZHpyYnKhYagsDjqVY4CnPS5VZ3EzQHqoLG4oS1F50VAcmP8B3xApBG5efUlh8Bt9k0-TGZ57a9DHgW43eGZHj07I0HryHdJlKxoSPrDgoKo-z89-N63pb4B3TtRhKIkxhZLlzTfhj0zSdBdiH1QNh190IKLaUCLZabZCYr-WedRdqiFKeAtiE9g/s4640/IMG_20230429_124223_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="239" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGKGtZHpyYnKhYagsDjqVY4CnPS5VZ3EzQHqoLG4oS1F50VAcmP8B3xApBG5efUlh8Bt9k0-TGZ57a9DHgW43eGZHj07I0HryHdJlKxoSPrDgoKo-z89-N63pb4B3TtRhKIkxhZLlzTfhj0zSdBdiH1QNh190IKLaUCLZabZCYr-WedRdqiFKeAtiE9g/s320/IMG_20230429_124223_MP.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Taken yesterday</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivWHMsza67QLg4NX54XZxfe18gLeeNKf2eOYQR2ICzPoLW885ASlc7u5PZxYlqpqWdQZIfnOZ7W2HnrXXr_HVoFAkFyZvZGd57OBV6kBOGVBIsXU16-rMHv9xSSOQQdOIQCTa8CcK5FFJPL786mRL_jFAMgACsIfuvkzUdFHDMcZIk8NETVLPz00Np3A/s4640/IMG_20230429_124551_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="239" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivWHMsza67QLg4NX54XZxfe18gLeeNKf2eOYQR2ICzPoLW885ASlc7u5PZxYlqpqWdQZIfnOZ7W2HnrXXr_HVoFAkFyZvZGd57OBV6kBOGVBIsXU16-rMHv9xSSOQQdOIQCTa8CcK5FFJPL786mRL_jFAMgACsIfuvkzUdFHDMcZIk8NETVLPz00Np3A/s320/IMG_20230429_124551_MP.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Taken yesterday</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div style="text-align: left;">The Forgey family, my mother's family, frequently visited the mission in the 1930s when they lived in Glendale. My mother particularly loved Brand Park, which is located across the street. During my recent visit to the San Fernando Mission, I was unable to walk around the park due to Quinceañera photo shoots, but I still enjoyed the beautiful gardens there.</div></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgGTDg9cVn8HRXIu9rqbLk7x9lSNQiMOmnsI-UnTCqP8U3Buw-Vm9rX1TQbp7pnM_NpAfQAYXSUzdq2rc7f6QXwr34hhne8LWLOEIXfofpz4vq6_0sIVuBXXwSEqKzEer6Cp3SGj0-3_YP6iQ8IjLmqcMSkqyeC_VGOwn93bKBuJSXrsAHCo9IRwV1FKg/s4640/IMG_20230429_151219_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="299" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgGTDg9cVn8HRXIu9rqbLk7x9lSNQiMOmnsI-UnTCqP8U3Buw-Vm9rX1TQbp7pnM_NpAfQAYXSUzdq2rc7f6QXwr34hhne8LWLOEIXfofpz4vq6_0sIVuBXXwSEqKzEer6Cp3SGj0-3_YP6iQ8IjLmqcMSkqyeC_VGOwn93bKBuJSXrsAHCo9IRwV1FKg/w400-h299/IMG_20230429_151219_MP.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEicm7wFKloyh4aAmIrR2oD4hqG25L_C4NGHhRb7KO1AuVYOd4j1vBVdbfwnW3h219O0KwO-K8cGolZExTxuuJtKTH92jrCrgur9w5yNAmWr4RV8qmTIN3dOPZnP9ARdZCNDjhbFHVBs5_8CEJjpyEuNDbB6wm5LWEktNnjZ-wEfIKVxrm79CxDiqQw-8w/s4640/IMG_20230429_151322_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="478" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEicm7wFKloyh4aAmIrR2oD4hqG25L_C4NGHhRb7KO1AuVYOd4j1vBVdbfwnW3h219O0KwO-K8cGolZExTxuuJtKTH92jrCrgur9w5yNAmWr4RV8qmTIN3dOPZnP9ARdZCNDjhbFHVBs5_8CEJjpyEuNDbB6wm5LWEktNnjZ-wEfIKVxrm79CxDiqQw-8w/w640-h478/IMG_20230429_151322_MP.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div>On a side note, Bob Hope and his wife Dolores are buried in a garden at the mission. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEii6NuR9g4ZyfHgEff1hu-OEW-c7EzfcD1OVwVSn2IrPKZ3GJ06zp92QvmVRo6vMF9UhRfnSv2jlC1VrcETV_TeDWbeKLMFYgom9-vCXOwMELPHFO4exja-rPq7U8pUArbTioFBMFO5MUxOCEel3SwRCR_3lSsuT-3N2j7lOH0_xrNPUyWqV868Lbmd2g/s4640/IMG_20230429_131417_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="239" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEii6NuR9g4ZyfHgEff1hu-OEW-c7EzfcD1OVwVSn2IrPKZ3GJ06zp92QvmVRo6vMF9UhRfnSv2jlC1VrcETV_TeDWbeKLMFYgom9-vCXOwMELPHFO4exja-rPq7U8pUArbTioFBMFO5MUxOCEel3SwRCR_3lSsuT-3N2j7lOH0_xrNPUyWqV868Lbmd2g/s320/IMG_20230429_131417_MP.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgs-AmHUoLAzFhpKDYrGnxniWz3Ffwk5U8LUwMVn9XWNUB51MNDJD41mDMe5-Uhj_0e1oLByuhsRMmHjV8KHTRwBGsLh0lRV_c9QjRSCjb_H8XtOyBqw-BuOZMNbwtc_o6R2_-OT3wcy3G36A8imdLaerfhAdl6ZONmMV1aLNGzfAiUonIFMF4qTW_igg/s4640/IMG_20230429_131736_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="239" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgs-AmHUoLAzFhpKDYrGnxniWz3Ffwk5U8LUwMVn9XWNUB51MNDJD41mDMe5-Uhj_0e1oLByuhsRMmHjV8KHTRwBGsLh0lRV_c9QjRSCjb_H8XtOyBqw-BuOZMNbwtc_o6R2_-OT3wcy3G36A8imdLaerfhAdl6ZONmMV1aLNGzfAiUonIFMF4qTW_igg/s320/IMG_20230429_131736_MP.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiraf_E3LVpW8nC5WBbbWoNdyTWMvwnZ9VFEZ4pfj5wvCVCw_EiSND7_VPxWlkgC6LDH5-o_hCDNrGQ2GYrweQarNy9PF7xrJ_RFerJrSgJF0Zr579qq_AWZhzC0VZFzb47hITV87eihyKdnyGqWIuJyeeM7KInMJNO192X1w1Iscm5Xn5PDDscahDZSA/s4640/IMG_20230429_131851_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="299" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiraf_E3LVpW8nC5WBbbWoNdyTWMvwnZ9VFEZ4pfj5wvCVCw_EiSND7_VPxWlkgC6LDH5-o_hCDNrGQ2GYrweQarNy9PF7xrJ_RFerJrSgJF0Zr579qq_AWZhzC0VZFzb47hITV87eihyKdnyGqWIuJyeeM7KInMJNO192X1w1Iscm5Xn5PDDscahDZSA/w400-h299/IMG_20230429_131851_MP.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div>As I walked around the mission grounds, I felt a deep connection to my family's history in California. It was a poignant reminder of the memories and stories that have been passed down through the generations, and I feel grateful to be able to continue learning about and exploring my family's past.</div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivpfkzIpinORkvYMsyaWwvNZ_smuZ_jYrHmpFmTf2UTMaYuWFT_ZtXrNAzVYSqEgG-upC3NCZZYb6EGTe0SHtyMdPmIiTyI_bkDUCmfl6fJAAKO1aaZXaCvKtYJsa7DW3lK-6M69cxxIlyJzZuJEhOrfNLp8308g1PLEJZPzuqur9iIyPtLaPlXBEgOg/s4640/IMG_20230429_150517_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="299" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivpfkzIpinORkvYMsyaWwvNZ_smuZ_jYrHmpFmTf2UTMaYuWFT_ZtXrNAzVYSqEgG-upC3NCZZYb6EGTe0SHtyMdPmIiTyI_bkDUCmfl6fJAAKO1aaZXaCvKtYJsa7DW3lK-6M69cxxIlyJzZuJEhOrfNLp8308g1PLEJZPzuqur9iIyPtLaPlXBEgOg/w400-h299/IMG_20230429_150517_MP.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjeYQnf9gNKRAcVN2S_cLIrjbvIXyvdYacvhHMJoleM81nYATJa_uge5AomFK9SbKZurd7I6HR0IyFPNxCsctRdwMrE22KIWtGNwbeHuZncaHW3a1GAQm4DOHUAzlAnH_9GuVGaYGuiX6qMgTOm2C2aj8UEr_EqgBZOY7TimdWuF-j5dk9XjixjFji5Cw/s4640/IMG_20230429_132413_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="299" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjeYQnf9gNKRAcVN2S_cLIrjbvIXyvdYacvhHMJoleM81nYATJa_uge5AomFK9SbKZurd7I6HR0IyFPNxCsctRdwMrE22KIWtGNwbeHuZncaHW3a1GAQm4DOHUAzlAnH_9GuVGaYGuiX6qMgTOm2C2aj8UEr_EqgBZOY7TimdWuF-j5dk9XjixjFji5Cw/w400-h299/IMG_20230429_132413_MP.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdLanKZCvwjJJ0hVowbq3CtIlBRgVwufRKZjEQNZRww8J-gtzyHCe9rPd79BGO_V6iyv_1IvottyJeCGbKmebXdsxlXY55WGm6hH7w0un0GmoX5vz6WEAAsLuhAJ1ov1miOVh7sHj3E2u6hxtcTDU6W3qkrYJUy3EiP2T-yV8p0zj4pRseNE5JF2AWxQ/s4640/IMG_20230429_142501_MP.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3472" data-original-width="4640" height="299" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdLanKZCvwjJJ0hVowbq3CtIlBRgVwufRKZjEQNZRww8J-gtzyHCe9rPd79BGO_V6iyv_1IvottyJeCGbKmebXdsxlXY55WGm6hH7w0un0GmoX5vz6WEAAsLuhAJ1ov1miOVh7sHj3E2u6hxtcTDU6W3qkrYJUy3EiP2T-yV8p0zj4pRseNE5JF2AWxQ/w400-h299/IMG_20230429_142501_MP.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br />Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-8077814420223242023-04-01T07:17:00.000-07:002023-04-01T07:17:42.916-07:00Dealing with Old Family Photos/Sorting, Scanning, and Identifying people<div style="text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1T7-MQNkKTQegYgUxhmTR-hML6LQrUXkdfXhcZ8CEWWNXUbE0tEdh7sKqmADQn4s8PJkLHjOdub_CDA_afnHokTJYIS6DDIgkKeJi1OMXXSSu6Ibnhn8IcJiES6pKvYFl75-OVII1L0PEy9FFDykgRrPL_iSzzAGLSazUkxeL4QZ60Uf1lUmVxLl8qg/s843/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20110558%20organized.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="843" data-original-width="632" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1T7-MQNkKTQegYgUxhmTR-hML6LQrUXkdfXhcZ8CEWWNXUbE0tEdh7sKqmADQn4s8PJkLHjOdub_CDA_afnHokTJYIS6DDIgkKeJi1OMXXSSu6Ibnhn8IcJiES6pKvYFl75-OVII1L0PEy9FFDykgRrPL_iSzzAGLSazUkxeL4QZ60Uf1lUmVxLl8qg/w240-h320/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20110558%20organized.png" width="240" /></a></div><br /> </div>Preserving family memories is a precious and essential task that helps us connect with our past and pass on our family history to future generations. Old photos in boxes and albums are a treasure trove of memories, but they can also be overwhelming to sort through and organize. Recently, I decided to tackle the task of scanning and organizing my family's old photos, and in the process, I learned a few things that might be helpful for others undertaking the same task.<br /><br />The first thing I learned was to organize the photos chronologically before scanning. I made the mistake of scanning photos haphazardly, and I'm currently arranging them online in chronological order. It's much easier to have them in order beforehand, as it saves time and effort. Also it's best to save scans as a .tiff (<a href="https://youtu.be/_a8RYfA6B7E">for more advice on scanning photos I recommend listening to this 2018 RootsTech video</a>).<div><br /></div><div>If you are going to remove photos from an album it's important to scan the pages before removing them. The order they are placed in albums is generally chronological. Also photos glued into albums may have identifying information written next to photos. Unfortunately someone removed all my maternal grandparents' family photos from the albums and the identifying information on some of the pages was lost. </div><div><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgj8L3Dz6hlzml219vDOgGlXSUXTLvafDaC2PSscwVHC576YSu09CDQ0CbAQZBArQz2ZCw45Hr_Sl6yX3S5N6InQw9Sj_xdmNXwDDLsUH4G4hGBxwjN3_PTkpuOz_J8AXoAW1OdKbme6GbmMoakLT6eG1PvwI-u0NA091EKapjgtdXq6mucuajwCFVKcg/s972/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20110953%20scan%20album%20pages%20before%20removing%20photos.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="708" data-original-width="972" height="233" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgj8L3Dz6hlzml219vDOgGlXSUXTLvafDaC2PSscwVHC576YSu09CDQ0CbAQZBArQz2ZCw45Hr_Sl6yX3S5N6InQw9Sj_xdmNXwDDLsUH4G4hGBxwjN3_PTkpuOz_J8AXoAW1OdKbme6GbmMoakLT6eG1PvwI-u0NA091EKapjgtdXq6mucuajwCFVKcg/s320/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20110953%20scan%20album%20pages%20before%20removing%20photos.png" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Lucky that my paternal side didn't removed all photos from the family album</td></tr></tbody></table><div><br /></div><div>Another important tip is to look at the back of the photos as you take them out of albums, and look carefully for dates. Many old photos have dates or identifying information written on the back, and this can be invaluable in organizing them. I also discovered that some of our family photos from the 1930s had a faint date stamped on the back that I had overlooked previously. Additionally, some photos had black backing because they were cut out of a photo album. So, I'm carefully removing the backing from some of the photos I can't identify in case there is writing on the back.<div><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFifB7tREhq04JKJ4eRKHQ_1GqmlCc7r9h7YKppC1dwikudH_Sp1N-ZkjNdtzfvRAN_v2ULz5OcMwc3fXWE1z-rMe_Wtak0h1pbSKdpaojQHTfAAA6xsQv3ygagVxoHjzzUJv6-QlpjRK1YU1ztfRDQ2xCJCLfo3tZ_s9ojZ9AS08inkiAn8qzZ1DPRA/s1411/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20104134%20photo%20stamped%202%20Mar%201932.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="561" data-original-width="1411" height="188" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFifB7tREhq04JKJ4eRKHQ_1GqmlCc7r9h7YKppC1dwikudH_Sp1N-ZkjNdtzfvRAN_v2ULz5OcMwc3fXWE1z-rMe_Wtak0h1pbSKdpaojQHTfAAA6xsQv3ygagVxoHjzzUJv6-QlpjRK1YU1ztfRDQ2xCJCLfo3tZ_s9ojZ9AS08inkiAn8qzZ1DPRA/w473-h188/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20104134%20photo%20stamped%202%20Mar%201932.png" width="473" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Stamp on back of photo says 2 Mar 1932</td></tr></tbody></table><div><br /><br />When dating family photos, it's essential to use research information regarding friends and relatives to see who would most likely be in your family photos during a specific time period. This can help you narrow down who is in the photo and when it was taken. I also found it helpful to search for photos or relatives online to find more family photos to match them with photos I couldn't identify.</div><div><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUcPSU3-xkh9HVNGCxnlfMH_vs5ERyx-bv_Zw4EM052LZvoAHRD4s7gCifoll5NgbJAHPM4CqS47BlJubHcFGLgc8-_FO_yTBIqbD1OlZ_4PFbpsOHVJDxw3b2AzHe7ySnYRCcaGKlbKqL7NYdgzNAIoSTOtb3MQ3YDg9dM_Zh2RRzSWilf59z1NMB_Q/s1462/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20105310%20photo%20comparison%20of%20Mary%20Kappel.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="651" data-original-width="1462" height="142" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUcPSU3-xkh9HVNGCxnlfMH_vs5ERyx-bv_Zw4EM052LZvoAHRD4s7gCifoll5NgbJAHPM4CqS47BlJubHcFGLgc8-_FO_yTBIqbD1OlZ_4PFbpsOHVJDxw3b2AzHe7ySnYRCcaGKlbKqL7NYdgzNAIoSTOtb3MQ3YDg9dM_Zh2RRzSWilf59z1NMB_Q/s320/Screenshot%202023-03-31%20105310%20photo%20comparison%20of%20Mary%20Kappel.png" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">I found the photo on the left posted by cousins online. I had a copy of the photo on the right which wasn't identified. The photo on the left is identified and helped confirm my father's aunt Mary is in the unidentified photo. </td></tr></tbody></table><div><br />For identifying people in old photos, photo recognition software can be a valuable tool. However, it's essential to keep in mind that siblings can look very much alike, and even in the 90% similar range. In most cases, a score of 90% would be the same person, but it's important to eliminate the possibility of lookalike close relatives. Also, these programs can have difficulty identifying some people as they age.</div><div><br /></div><div>Sometimes you can find descriptions of wedding attire in a newspaper if you can't identify wedding photos. The photo below is described in a wedding announcement. So we know this photo was taken in 1948 at the wedding of Bertha Salamon her cousin. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYu1_UJM_01xocI6hf7aNYNuOJJUrtRFOx5WryIgxobvQqypQe1bdsOc40R_Xf5w9SOhUpUYPvct6i__UBIeEWD8wBV8Q4DgwVXE-DZsKokAIDuG03EPf-TK8hoZxMXSUvG8nMsvQh_isp2YhfUQm9gqiC3FuxEpcdH899rhL1kdMsAHHgtgIQ2qt7gw/s960/Untitled%20presentation%20(3).jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="540" data-original-width="960" height="225" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYu1_UJM_01xocI6hf7aNYNuOJJUrtRFOx5WryIgxobvQqypQe1bdsOc40R_Xf5w9SOhUpUYPvct6i__UBIeEWD8wBV8Q4DgwVXE-DZsKokAIDuG03EPf-TK8hoZxMXSUvG8nMsvQh_isp2YhfUQm9gqiC3FuxEpcdH899rhL1kdMsAHHgtgIQ2qt7gw/w400-h225/Untitled%20presentation%20(3).jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div>In conclusion, organizing old family photos can be a challenging and time-consuming task, but it's worth the effort to preserve family memories for future generations. By organizing the photos chronologically, looking at the back of the photos for dates, using research information, searching for additional photos online, and using photo recognition software, you can make the process more manageable and enjoyable. Remember that every photo has a story to tell, and preserving those stories is a gift to future generations.</div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-68166106572002660622023-03-08T14:17:00.007-08:002023-03-08T14:55:31.129-08:00Is The Shared Match Feature The Only atDNA Tool You'll Ever Need? (from RootsTech 2023 Presentation) Putting It To The Test<div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoOmJbJN6si1c1zNlnHBRx1vVUyAT9C6RvKgJtziBlHLhSTPMT68sjSNUYqTXGXEF84_TI8gu520t1JoPeJ8Fc-O8OoOdgwK3KAAnbL0IO0IQlhjMiAXEmgM19zVJzk3l3j3T7SFJeaJapUjBXQ5agvNV3Gf_dNEFQCrYf4yTsYZDTHLFuK0Z-BvzUoA/s873/Screenshot%202023-03-08%20140009%20dots.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="608" data-original-width="873" height="223" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoOmJbJN6si1c1zNlnHBRx1vVUyAT9C6RvKgJtziBlHLhSTPMT68sjSNUYqTXGXEF84_TI8gu520t1JoPeJ8Fc-O8OoOdgwK3KAAnbL0IO0IQlhjMiAXEmgM19zVJzk3l3j3T7SFJeaJapUjBXQ5agvNV3Gf_dNEFQCrYf4yTsYZDTHLFuK0Z-BvzUoA/s320/Screenshot%202023-03-08%20140009%20dots.png" width="320" /></a>0</div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div> I decided to test the effectiveness of Diahan Southard's shared DNA matches technique, which she outlined in her presentation, <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/shared-dna-matches-the-only-dna-tool-you-will-ever-need">"Shared DNA Matches - The Only DNA Tool You Will Ever Need,"</a> to find missing ancestors in my family tree, from RootsTech 2023. The basic idea is to use shared matches to identify ancestors that are missing from your family tree. You know your great-grandparent's great-grandchildren are your 2nd cousin matches. If you are missing a set of great-great grandparents you can use the technique as follows. If you have a good 2nd cousin match you can separate matches for the known set of great-great grandparents by marking this match couple with a colored dot or note, using the shared matches feature at the DNA companies, to find a set of missing great-great grandparents. The leftover matches are likely related to your missing ancestral couple. To discover who they are, you need to determine how each of these leftover matches is related to each other and which couples they share.</div><div><br />In my case, I have a brick wall on my mother's paternal side. We don't know the identity of a set of Campbell 3rd great-grandparents, who would be the parents of our ancestor Sarah "Sally" Campbell. I followed the technique outlined in the presentation and marked the shared matches of our best match related to this line of the family. I have been using a similar technique already by making notes to record matches with the names of shared ancestral couples, and I was also often recording the child they match through. However, I didn't use the best match technique to find matches to mark. I haven't kept up with marking matches, so I don't have every match marked. Just marking the best matches' shared matches on a brick wall line is something that is doable and not overwhelming.<br /><br />After marking those matches, I came to the same conclusion I had already come to. We likely are related to matches who descend from George Lafayette Campbell. I reached this conclusion by searching for DNA matches with the surname Campbell on their trees, and their Campbells were from Tennessee, as the children of my Sarah Campbell stated.<br /><br />While performing this exercise, I discovered that we don't have many matches on our brick wall line. Most of my mother's matches are on the known couples' lines. There weren't many leftovers. Perhaps the Campbells don't have many descendants, or not many of them have taken a DNA test, or my mother didn't inherit much DNA for that line.</div><div><br /><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH8O0IDFkvu_xpv3W4Jk3EJUmVwjelrYtDW1Z3Jkn42XZhELFAPUFnagfPV0_poJbAHw7ppA15F2uu0E8vCRafUXK11ZmgcTF1CFHzfPjEI2NKdsQ1eKt86Qm-Xi9Zj67ZITeUOlm7six98xLKe7bw1UjUX8nCLSBix3GxRNV0bzSGqwbRaQwDlyNqqg/s818/Forgey%20Wray.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="593" data-original-width="818" height="232" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhH8O0IDFkvu_xpv3W4Jk3EJUmVwjelrYtDW1Z3Jkn42XZhELFAPUFnagfPV0_poJbAHw7ppA15F2uu0E8vCRafUXK11ZmgcTF1CFHzfPjEI2NKdsQ1eKt86Qm-Xi9Zj67ZITeUOlm7six98xLKe7bw1UjUX8nCLSBix3GxRNV0bzSGqwbRaQwDlyNqqg/w320-h232/Forgey%20Wray.png" title="90% of shared matches with best match were on his side not her's" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">90% of matches were on his side not hers<br /><br /></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><br />George Lafayette Campbell was likely a cousin of my Sarah Campbell. He was in the same generation as Sarah. Sarah's family migrated to Indiana, while George's family stayed in the south. The names of his parents are unknown, and no records have been found naming them.<br /><br />Is the shared matches feature the only one we need? In my case, no. I have another ancestral line from the same place as George Lafayette Campbell. I also have a Browning family who lived in Greene County, Tennessee. I've created a chromosome map in Genome Mate Pro, and I have good matches on the Browning line and have been able to map the chromosomes for this family. I found some Browning segments overlapping with the Campbell segments I have. I believe chromosome mapping is necessary to establish how we are related to matches from the same rural areas. The overlap isn't much but I need more segment data to establish this is nothing to worry about. <br /><br />I do believe that you need to mark shared matches, but this needs to be done along with chromosome mapping to ensure that you are related in the way you believe. Chromosome mapping isn't strictly triangulation; it's filling in your chromosomes with segments as completely as possible. By filling in a chromosome map you can also spot gaps where your missing ancestors might fit. Using 2nd cousins and other good matches is the best way to establish where a segment came from. Use large segments to name smaller ones. <div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOfmEE0b5_EQkdUBWCjfFtoCGatkSBSz_LI4GXLg1rrQTtigiC8L44k8N_Rau6fK5JNjlStXsxNwyZGNgBuN4cZHf6Wqk59iJvkL5qThsiJu-MPH0LWn25PO-jQHNvUHAQ6pxUKVO2zW6Gp5R3uiKAuWRNtWpHYA85lIW5ovZMLMEHdA_P0zc6E_j6jw/s1570/chromosome%20browser.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="865" data-original-width="1570" height="220" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOfmEE0b5_EQkdUBWCjfFtoCGatkSBSz_LI4GXLg1rrQTtigiC8L44k8N_Rau6fK5JNjlStXsxNwyZGNgBuN4cZHf6Wqk59iJvkL5qThsiJu-MPH0LWn25PO-jQHNvUHAQ6pxUKVO2zW6Gp5R3uiKAuWRNtWpHYA85lIW5ovZMLMEHdA_P0zc6E_j6jw/w400-h220/chromosome%20browser.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div>Most of our ancestors lived in rural agricultural communities. We can be related to our matches in more than one way. We need more than one tool to establish how we are related.<br /><br />We often need both tools, a chromosome browser, and shared matches; and any other tools available. A chromosome browser doesn't bite; it has never bitten me yet. At Genome Mate Pro, you just upload your match segment data, and there is a way to name the segments you can confidently identify. Both techniques are easy, and not that time consuming. </div></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br />Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-63659709780912948462023-03-05T13:38:00.005-08:002023-03-05T14:30:13.891-08:00RootsTech 2023 Virtual Presentation Highlights <br />RootTech 2023 included in-person attendees for the first time since the COVID pandemic started. It included virtual sessions which is the way I watched. This year's conference had a lot of great presentations.<div><br />But of all the presentations that were offered, there were a few that really stood out to me, either because they provided me with information I didn't know before or because they inspired me to try a new research technique. Here are a few that I found particularly interesting:</div><div><br /></div><div><ul style="text-align: left;"><li><a href="https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/dna-misconceptions">DNA Misconceptions - Kelli Jo Bergheimer</a></li><li><a href="https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/reconstruct-your-ancestors-lives-with-google">Reconstruct Your Ancestor's Lives with Google - Lisa Louise Cooke</a></li><li><a href="My Messy Complicated Birth Roots Story">My Messy Complicated Birth Roots Story - Diahan Southard</a></li><li><a href="My Messy Complicated Birth Roots Story">The Latest Research Tools to Assist with Your DNA Matches - Gal Zrihen Sponsored by: MyHeritage</a></li><li><a href="https://www.familysearch.org/rootstech/session/whats-new-at-ancestry-in-2023">What's New at Ancestry in 2023? Crista Cowan</a></li></ul><br />One interesting point that came up during the "DNA Misconceptions" presentation was the fact that phasing, or automated separation of your genome by parent, can be wrong, producing false matches and throwing your ethnicity results off. This is an important reminder that while DNA testing can be a powerful tool for genealogical research, it's important to be aware of its limitations and to interpret your results with caution.<br /><br />"Reconstructing Your Ancestor's Lives" inspired me to try more strategies for searching for family information on Google. I actually found a newspaper article about a great uncle I hadn't seen before. I had never heard of the newspaper called the Calumet Index, which covered the Pullman area of Chicago before, either. My great-uncle William Kappel was mentioned in the newspaper with others who had served in WWII from that area. He was killed in Europe, Germany, during WWII as the paper states, and his wife is also mentioned.</div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEixhvQm0o-73Aex2HMtuNyJfGta3aFpt5IT1QRadBBXqDOunt6MyAi72FtY2KO1IlKR3v8uzgnQpd2MtEXNjzZoa50OGKbG__7od6bHHOD6FP-5ekm00yN-Q_I8UWllwI_wNahyyXogUNKJNcTrJSMuFBBcLASTCb2acfD7F1iUdACSlbMa4Vfq_XK3Ig" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="843" data-original-width="1043" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEixhvQm0o-73Aex2HMtuNyJfGta3aFpt5IT1QRadBBXqDOunt6MyAi72FtY2KO1IlKR3v8uzgnQpd2MtEXNjzZoa50OGKbG__7od6bHHOD6FP-5ekm00yN-Q_I8UWllwI_wNahyyXogUNKJNcTrJSMuFBBcLASTCb2acfD7F1iUdACSlbMa4Vfq_XK3Ig" width="297" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEi8GhZYRXtzzZnJQo-ksX46urIzkcjZ-s4E0bdmulNqS-F7TeZ85HLNjXK3vVVBX_8b90-6xnn_vuAiIMJBcKh7Jeoppg-NqstLr-DgzQChsqDsB5_Y6ETU4IFumjSYRQ4bi-4_9E3yvn_tBbK1EZ-D8EXhk4ns1lQBOO7csinMCQ7iUl2C9jUAXLFhEA" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="361" data-original-width="805" height="144" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEi8GhZYRXtzzZnJQo-ksX46urIzkcjZ-s4E0bdmulNqS-F7TeZ85HLNjXK3vVVBX_8b90-6xnn_vuAiIMJBcKh7Jeoppg-NqstLr-DgzQChsqDsB5_Y6ETU4IFumjSYRQ4bi-4_9E3yvn_tBbK1EZ-D8EXhk4ns1lQBOO7csinMCQ7iUl2C9jUAXLFhEA" width="320" /></a></div><br /><br /></div></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div>"My Messy Complicated Birth Roots" reinforced the fact that grouping your matches is important and close matches you cannot identify could be key to solving your brickwalls.</div><div><br />MyHeritage's new tool, "cM Explainer™", which estimates your relationships to a match sounds like a helpful tool. Using the number of shared cMs, the age of your match, and yourself, to point to possible relationships is useful.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZx3Z0Hq1KfzdGzq4Hl631VVvaA2PyiC2juyw1YsORcG73yx9bX4kg5TVRg7pFREbXhZ40AxZIbwhaOk_o2kkIiyyCuuMKpBzCrhRykXzKGMDn41nB4HwNb4e0_J6-mMAhufeqhuu3XqCfQYtXUjv9toWtm70mnxOcEIIHbU1r0tU-RUgsO5-zqDyxuQ/s1190/Screenshot%202023-03-05%20130130.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="863" data-original-width="1190" height="232" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZx3Z0Hq1KfzdGzq4Hl631VVvaA2PyiC2juyw1YsORcG73yx9bX4kg5TVRg7pFREbXhZ40AxZIbwhaOk_o2kkIiyyCuuMKpBzCrhRykXzKGMDn41nB4HwNb4e0_J6-mMAhufeqhuu3XqCfQYtXUjv9toWtm70mnxOcEIIHbU1r0tU-RUgsO5-zqDyxuQ/s320/Screenshot%202023-03-05%20130130.png" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /><br />Finally, Ancestry.com's group messaging may help facilitate collaboration and encourage matches to respond. This could be a useful tool for those who are looking to connect with others who share their family history interests and work together to uncover new information.<br /><br />RootsTech 2023 was an informative and inspiring event. Whether you're just starting out on your genealogical journey or you're a seasoned researcher, there was something for everyone at this year's conference. I can't wait to see what next year's RootsTech has in store!</div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-7809554546936817642023-02-26T10:46:00.004-08:002023-02-26T11:19:05.792-08:00The Complexities of YDNA Haplogroups/Why even close relatives can be assigned different terminal SNPs<br /><br />In addition to providing information about our ancient origins and migration patterns, haplogroups can also be a valuable tool in genetic genealogy. Haplogroups can help us identify possible relatives who share a common ancestor on our patrilineal or matrilineal line, even if they don't share enough autosomal DNA (atDNA) to be detected as a match.<br /><br />As an example, consider the case of two Browning male cousins who matched my mother with different terminal haplogroups at 23andMe. Despite not matching each other based on their atDNA results, they are likely distant cousins who share the same YDNA haplogroup, but not terminal haplogroup. This means that they both inherited their Y-chromosome DNA from a common ancestor on their patrilineal line, even though they have different terminal SNPS. <br /><br />This information is particularly useful for our family because we are looking for Browning males to test in the Browning line for a YDNA project at Family Tree DNA. By identifying individuals who share the same haplogroup, we can narrow down our search for potential relatives who are more likely to share a common ancestor on our Browning patrilineal line. Since AncestryDNA doesn't provide YDNA haplogroups it can be tricky selecting a male to test because there could be a break in their direct male line. 23andMe does provide that useful information. If two men are in completely different haplogroups we know there is a line break. <div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWsllfsFxRWsK0wI-hRKfZtZWMwuoyqRuNj0LIKUFolNzR_fqVYnWngjfe69ym_rEh_zXKqYD_WsysIEpaPfXwIOcOQx6qnKdH3Lfj6JIubm-hzymLwssoC6UPuAKULTZqTvchdIPWb1Ax_84hf41M3o7ZLStC34C6a9dLmDUw5exd5ayy2kCXsXbmQw/s642/Screenshot%202023-02-26%20093818%20rick%20browning.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="432" data-original-width="642" height="215" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWsllfsFxRWsK0wI-hRKfZtZWMwuoyqRuNj0LIKUFolNzR_fqVYnWngjfe69ym_rEh_zXKqYD_WsysIEpaPfXwIOcOQx6qnKdH3Lfj6JIubm-hzymLwssoC6UPuAKULTZqTvchdIPWb1Ax_84hf41M3o7ZLStC34C6a9dLmDUw5exd5ayy2kCXsXbmQw/s320/Screenshot%202023-02-26%20093818%20rick%20browning.png" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVOaIGvSDprfhEgwL-RPoiScBJrkZEPSzDodP7gfvQL8Q8vabUxOIwRuldkiV7S_vpzZhH_kiNRDJ8yweFWKpz0zio6hEx79aIfrIqAjbN-_5SgSGaVJf5rsY_PbSf169du-iFyqHgsx_eh4JI0XNTOzRWqsP8-rLj3Uvr7iJT7RY7OZTdIRQ0u--9gg/s642/Screenshot%202023-02-26%20102753%20cory%20browning.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="435" data-original-width="642" height="217" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVOaIGvSDprfhEgwL-RPoiScBJrkZEPSzDodP7gfvQL8Q8vabUxOIwRuldkiV7S_vpzZhH_kiNRDJ8yweFWKpz0zio6hEx79aIfrIqAjbN-_5SgSGaVJf5rsY_PbSf169du-iFyqHgsx_eh4JI0XNTOzRWqsP8-rLj3Uvr7iJT7RY7OZTdIRQ0u--9gg/s320/Screenshot%202023-02-26%20102753%20cory%20browning.png" width="320" /></a></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div><br />Haplogroups can vary even between parents and their children, <a href="https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212879967-Haplogroup-Different-From-Family-Members">according to a 23andMe post</a>. A child might be assigned a different haplogroup than their parent due to missing data or other factors. This means that even if two individuals share a common ancestor on their patrilineal or matrilineal line, they might not have the same terminal haplogroup SNPs. However, they are still likely related and share a common ancestor on their direct paternal or maternal line.<div><br /></div><div>To be safe we will try to find at least two men to test for our Browning line to ensure there are no line breaks. There is a Browning male who already tested at Family Tree DNA. They took the 37 marker test, which basically only put them in the R haplogroup. I believe a good marker match would be enough to prove a relationship to him. Since all the Browning males, so far, are in the R haplogroup it seems to be a good sign they are likely all related, although they are in a very common haplogroup for Europe. <br /><br />Haplogroups are a powerful tool in genetic genealogy that can help us identify potential relatives who share a common ancestor on our patrilineal or matrilineal line. By understanding the implications of haplogroup differences and similarities, we can make more informed decisions about our DNA testing strategies and better understand our family history, even though SNP assignments can be confusing. </div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-10492674864782676282023-01-31T11:54:00.002-08:002023-01-31T13:31:40.064-08:00Understanding the Limitations of Genetically Based Family Trees(This was written by ChatGPT with a summary I provided)<br /><br />If you're looking to trace your ancestry, you may have come across two popular models: AncestryDNA ThruLines and 23andMe's Family Tree. Both of these models use DNA testing to generate a family tree, but there are some key differences to keep in mind when using them.<br /><br />AncestryDNA ThruLines generates a pedigree chart using both family trees posted on their site and DNA matches. However, the relationships shown on the chart are only potential and not guaranteed. You may occasionally find that some of your matches are related to you more than once, and checking shared matches can help to verify the relationships suggested by ThruLines.<div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyQnZv1TkuJj9klOCXoISMzv78iQYSBX9JAC0aroBycOyypRIuZ5xPXowAAmJwKTtDp3BNWCKibHmfCJ2Ara1r8c5wRsJohaGsFIas_EJW9TVaL8SugbWFW7JvB8yDsAA7jMdrrt_M3aDCYDImM8vwhsr4N3VIVgWureLw4Hi-AsQtNcTqyr_5ptm3lg/s1485/Screenshot%202023-01-31%20113700%20ThruLines.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="772" data-original-width="1485" height="205" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyQnZv1TkuJj9klOCXoISMzv78iQYSBX9JAC0aroBycOyypRIuZ5xPXowAAmJwKTtDp3BNWCKibHmfCJ2Ara1r8c5wRsJohaGsFIas_EJW9TVaL8SugbWFW7JvB8yDsAA7jMdrrt_M3aDCYDImM8vwhsr4N3VIVgWureLw4Hi-AsQtNcTqyr_5ptm3lg/w395-h205/Screenshot%202023-01-31%20113700%20ThruLines.png" width="395" /></a></div><div><br /><br />On the other hand, 23andMe doesn't use family trees but instead creates a pedigree chart with only the names of matches and possible shared ancestors (actually it doesn't give names only possible locations on the chart for shared ancestors). The individuals are placed on the chart based on their shared DNA and cousin predictions. However, it's important to keep in mind that these generational predictions can be inaccurate, as it's difficult to predict cousin relationships based solely on DNA. Cousins from the same generation can have different amounts of shared DNA, making it challenging to determine their exact relationship.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiz6f6ehDzN9PYjbKj-yiKC2vuBzcyotAkkVeuKdv0_DxJvhySTLA2YNyO--U_Umevr2nyTThEPQL8Ce_S5hVAPtjr3XjSwT7_w2yhUlz_l21NyKVOLbXCQANmQZqiqhRD_3n4AjORoysmg85WXpzP_0fOiVZ0yCoeXA0wmnOoqE6kyEI7Q3O-CcsD-JQ/s1682/Screenshot%202023-01-31%20114912%2023andme%20genetic%20tree.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="860" data-original-width="1682" height="205" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiz6f6ehDzN9PYjbKj-yiKC2vuBzcyotAkkVeuKdv0_DxJvhySTLA2YNyO--U_Umevr2nyTThEPQL8Ce_S5hVAPtjr3XjSwT7_w2yhUlz_l21NyKVOLbXCQANmQZqiqhRD_3n4AjORoysmg85WXpzP_0fOiVZ0yCoeXA0wmnOoqE6kyEI7Q3O-CcsD-JQ/w400-h205/Screenshot%202023-01-31%20114912%2023andme%20genetic%20tree.png" width="400" /></a></div><div><br /><br />In conclusion, while genetically based family trees can provide useful information about your ancestry, it's important to be aware of their limitations. It's always a good idea to check shared matches and other sources to verify the relationships suggested by these models. By doing so, you can get a more accurate picture of your ancestry and better understand your family history.</div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-8509340214060102522023-01-29T14:33:00.006-08:002023-01-29T15:21:50.702-08:00Ask The Magic 8 Ball/ or ChatGPT for Genealogy<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKJR-IFA11Gs-QmbcUrpx2UpEWBzM-g22AwXEOj3qkzp7PUhmCa2643697hu_LUk-Le82fu0kLH9O1c1Jd9C0yB-M5sOwe3ZdWjx8TQUGZ45PMPQ45h_kiN88HTtiQGejeZs4dr2Y4l2gg9OEyEidIqn7Je9rQU2dWgclH3mbfJQIdiosNOmw7-bGWJw/s300/81AAa-+QdvL._AC_SY300_SX300_.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="300" data-original-width="250" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKJR-IFA11Gs-QmbcUrpx2UpEWBzM-g22AwXEOj3qkzp7PUhmCa2643697hu_LUk-Le82fu0kLH9O1c1Jd9C0yB-M5sOwe3ZdWjx8TQUGZ45PMPQ45h_kiN88HTtiQGejeZs4dr2Y4l2gg9OEyEidIqn7Je9rQU2dWgclH3mbfJQIdiosNOmw7-bGWJw/s1600/81AAa-+QdvL._AC_SY300_SX300_.jpg" width="250" /></a></div><br /><br />I really enjoyed playing with the Magic 8 Ball as a child. Who knew a better question and answer tool would come along in my future. The Magic 8 Ball never told me about it. <br /><br />The now available to the public <a href="https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/">ChatGPT </a>is a chatbot trained using artificial intelligence to answer questions and carry on a conversation that you initiate. <br /><br />What I like most about it is the back and forth chat encourages different ways of thinking and approaching a problem you may not have thought of. It can present ideas you never considered. The biggest problem is the information may not always be correct. You can actually redirect the chat in the right direction by entering the corrected information in the chat. <br /><br />I've asked some genealogy/family history questions to see what this chatbot came up with.<br /><br />The origin of unusual surnames in our family has always been a source of discussion. The origin of my mother's maiden name, Forgey, has been a subject of debate. Some thought it seemed French and others Scottish. We have a Forgey group on Facebook and a DNA project that points to Scottish origins. <br /><br /><a href="https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/">ChatGPT</a> initially said it is English. I think there may have been a Forgey in ancient English records. That person's name likely had a different derivation or the name was spelled phonetically and never was actually Forgey. Our family's name appears to come from a Scots-Irish immigrant to colonial America. It also appears it is a variant of the surname Ferguson. <br /><br /><br /><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/GDEkEYaif76tiIRpcRcud5_6ntfA4rN2UjzJTbbpbMns1Px951Ux5mpxg7VJzRTqkXynj8XEsrX6Pi0CrVsZUAyLivJRfeucclXMtaqvrkuKIZW567y6eB6Dl28pVeuh9eSyx5mFcOpih2voIfqWhpuVxUzx6uY5txF51irqKrzl8j8VhkqCFF8eqx4" /><br /><br />I corrected the chatbot by replying the name Forgey was most common in Ireland and appears to be derived from the surname Forgie, a variant of the surname Ferguson. Now the chat suggests these names go back to a Gaelic word, "Fearchar" meaning "beloved friend" or "dead man" in Gaelic. <br /><br /><br /><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/1DhdEEXcIa1FP8-g4zkaPfru5I2Q29k924YGXUhqWeKUBJeMkNfErxEjdJ6lijux9YngNikBywPAvQz7UZFJ2Fd3spZgTC1ysbuw81wjfeK5Dx8SyCYRGNXqEE8_eUYStKIHwDXzjHvEWom6frSFJajkEBBzmRAgg12wnIhxvLZcm-A3fMcfoZYDJAo" /><br /><br /><br />The fact my great-grandmother Mary Kurta Kappel's maiden name is also used in Ukraine is something I forgot or never knew about? Bringing that to my attention was interesting. I verified that there are Kurtas in Ukraine by Googling. <br /><br /><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/q3FQhxgVx5_zhoia6FHuglB9bzq554uK5B3AZhTGnxlA-Zcm4I8zzs7e4xwNkB1IxUOxOJ_qAAdVSgq-ej42VkqOvRuOC8CNGGP6Kpksj3ogPSz8IVSTLOVAj1AW4g52FxG6el-kOCo7esgfU8Q4_3ML3yH-kGt6Du3P7hSoU4Wrqn99BE-YIimIrOA" /><br /><br />I also asked about areas my family came from to get a history of the areas. What came back for Güssing, Austria had a glaring inaccuracy. It stated many people were sent to concentration camps from there. I wasn't aware that large numbers of people were sent to concentration camps from there. I did some research and according to Yad Vashem the Jews had been expelled from Güssing, and all of Burgenland, in 1938. There were either attempts to send them to neighboring countries, or Palestine. Many could not get out and ended up in Vienna. Anyone who ended up in German occupied territory eventually ended up in Ghettos or concentration camps. They generally didn't go directly from Güssing or Burgenland, however. It took a few years before the process known as "the final solution" began. <br /><br /><br /><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EvIEENPWtLN80ZJOK-2o90Uk8DuB7_p3jBHA4afxDhU_aXWk9MAvQ8xkW6NtTIDGj6g5o3AMWiZyWLe_Qaz-1syItABDLY-b8kBN_wVXQBznw4V9P5iGSgWKZdQwnasyZdruhxlSurqv0KJISc45M_yVI8gk5lHw1qKYkYEnYWE1IrTj19Pbydk6r0I" /><br /><br />I don't like the impression that Güssing residents were taken out of their homes and sent directly to concentration camps because this appears to be historically inaccurate. There likely were a few people living in Güssing who were sent directly to the concentration camps because of their political views and for openly criticizing the Nazis. Generally they were relocated and later sent to the camps.<br /><br /><br />I attempted to correct this information with information from a <a href="https://www.blogger.com/u/1/blog/post/edit/6592153507467992076/850934021406010252#">Yad Vashem study</a> regarding the Jews of Burgenland, Austria. According to Adolf Eichmann there were no more Jewish communities in Burgenland in late 1938. The Jewish population had been forcibly removed. I don't feel completely satisfied with the answer, but it's close enough to the truth. <br /><br /><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjQEQDr7WsYiwuEI1BI1kYniuY5raGl5pfLAItuiMV0cvwM0yt1Qg7Fvn5W8YgsuBTYwE9qcheCmN-sj38steCp1UgBG7v9ympbqQnfgpUSqw3YQfT1K3bQZN_ZN1zUl0rxbkz-zGxzkfaw7Ye8j3pQtpxBz93eqrh0UteugSrlvdWjt0Mr1mKWSTFWw/s1020/328112680_915842012889113_3892444425206033940_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="515" data-original-width="1020" height="324" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjQEQDr7WsYiwuEI1BI1kYniuY5raGl5pfLAItuiMV0cvwM0yt1Qg7Fvn5W8YgsuBTYwE9qcheCmN-sj38steCp1UgBG7v9ympbqQnfgpUSqw3YQfT1K3bQZN_ZN1zUl0rxbkz-zGxzkfaw7Ye8j3pQtpxBz93eqrh0UteugSrlvdWjt0Mr1mKWSTFWw/w640-h324/328112680_915842012889113_3892444425206033940_n.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><br />I also asked about the origins of my family's DNA haplogroups. I do believe our surname Kapple, Koppel in the old country, has Ashkenazi origins. As the chatbot states many Jewish men are in the J-170 Y DNA haplogroup. <br /><br /><br /><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/EdLnkiwM4M4S_t8gOJDcuBA4AqxC-RxT-fXFTcwNefsHWiEy1R5_OsXuTot-UebghzdPodNqI58oR-pG5-IgThk1KJA0Q8_KahXa_mEECcIwb1T811VzpRU-pKU0RsVIeSo3HKEgXlcB-TH3k8tcv5mOiGBOrfIOxBjHqtL8MtDmt8WGcwA2w9G42mA" /><br /><br />I asked about the persecution of the Irish by the English and it gave a very good summary of that. <br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/ZzYNU_DkXQDAkT0V9ow__8In17Nkpw7Jy5nZD3qwL18p6-dONtvAD-MuSqKd1JlTMubTKW-PyoLt4ycz_gbQ7Rt1xbItwuOCzYJgESW5s9qYj_6pK90ZGR5AExuG64dxyUKByzxEUG2W2dm3Bgc8tiHVYZ1QjcEnVQyLuJXg3Z89eQIMVWoGvs5yPhU" /><br /><br />I also asked how artificial intelligence can be used to further genealogy research? <br /><br /><br /><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/nvN24R7v3_wGsRuCAPwXC2Lje8YMTlbMLmmtlRSuxE804bu5agKqAnPvm9En9D4io2AAhKuNtkqpF3NbdH5qpSsyKYQm2atHN3zrR1qKwngI9WPouUNbzuhz5pVPGlYcKFjhBKrBgSjxdkwyfLMWP0VVnKQ4B5yUUMCH6JSnk4PNWnQmsfv_HJJJ3nM" /><br /><br /><br />Generating new ideas and questions is a good thing. Just use <a href="https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/">ChatGPT</a> with caution and verify the information. The information isn't sourced so you must find the source which is a good way to learn more about what you are researching. Think of it like you are chatting with a person. They aren't giving you sources. You're just chatting.<div> <br /><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2ostdJi_PEk6CroNLgHgaukqbPQPaUpN6heJHCf__sb7Vm_jYyyp0elrha1RB6-VRIwtb08JfNBIwTSQH6ehhrqpMWMSYht6FVHT2et9SfwOvA9Ldvy2dyR3CR-sW57Ie_FyFrXVEGgWOfD5NfzrIHotXtoskwhnW7zFZGbEWnZu-LfEIk91ZfBcvQA/s1047/Screenshot%202023-01-29%20151754%20is%20the%20magic%208%20ball%20accurate.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="285" data-original-width="1047" height="174" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2ostdJi_PEk6CroNLgHgaukqbPQPaUpN6heJHCf__sb7Vm_jYyyp0elrha1RB6-VRIwtb08JfNBIwTSQH6ehhrqpMWMSYht6FVHT2et9SfwOvA9Ldvy2dyR3CR-sW57Ie_FyFrXVEGgWOfD5NfzrIHotXtoskwhnW7zFZGbEWnZu-LfEIk91ZfBcvQA/w640-h174/Screenshot%202023-01-29%20151754%20is%20the%20magic%208%20ball%20accurate.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-58522411445435977362023-01-17T13:03:00.001-08:002023-01-17T14:10:05.077-08:00A Review of My Family History Progress 25 Years after Starting/ 12 years Blogging<h3 style="text-align: left;"><br /><br /></h3><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJQtxA5a6gSBCaSPk4oyd8MsNudoWBlYmCUU5fOxnuPp9wdXQ3duW8_ZE74Dd604Zjq3jyn7fD9aSYx4whIHYe1A6jNQU8rQKnqiVxBlS_BPG032xh1nLW6vaScus08M8GoO0AYUzcvnbFMDzQY7XuUraxIhdwtGYT4I1DLXWCnOHNSRxqOI9W_nTLkw/s5152/IMG_2701.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3864" data-original-width="5152" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJQtxA5a6gSBCaSPk4oyd8MsNudoWBlYmCUU5fOxnuPp9wdXQ3duW8_ZE74Dd604Zjq3jyn7fD9aSYx4whIHYe1A6jNQU8rQKnqiVxBlS_BPG032xh1nLW6vaScus08M8GoO0AYUzcvnbFMDzQY7XuUraxIhdwtGYT4I1DLXWCnOHNSRxqOI9W_nTLkw/w400-h300/IMG_2701.JPG" width="400" /></a></div><h3 style="text-align: left;"><br /></h3><h3 style="text-align: left;">Kappel Family Questions and Answers</h3><div><br /></div><div><i>Questions: Were the Kapple/Kappel's ethnically Jewish and where were they from in the old country? </i></div><div><br /></div>My number one goal when I started my genealogy research 25 years ago was to find the origins of our Kapple or Kappel surname. Since my grandparents Rudolph Kapple and Dorothy Mason-Kapple divorced and my grandmother moved to California, and my grandfather did not, my family had very little information about the Kappel family. There was some speculation that the Kappel’s were ethnically Jewish. I wanted to verify whether or not they were Jewish. According to several sources the surname Kappel can be Ashkenazi.<div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtSkuvvyltPYw5ocYO1RDuur9Qvw3BcmZ4ln7yD_HA4a4lefa0ubbqx_Z6vV-kXvWEqc9hRTxIZPqvCydqXVlvoMvJyLvOnfTBMXtHMJqWU_7lK0L06uSNn6uWIs2nlNXltakKNrlsae7AXgqaCkhd9O3m_zByd-d_B0eSh3yy4RqOeO8gjlAZeUlvMg/s870/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20101655%20Koeppel.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="328" data-original-width="870" height="242" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtSkuvvyltPYw5ocYO1RDuur9Qvw3BcmZ4ln7yD_HA4a4lefa0ubbqx_Z6vV-kXvWEqc9hRTxIZPqvCydqXVlvoMvJyLvOnfTBMXtHMJqWU_7lK0L06uSNn6uWIs2nlNXltakKNrlsae7AXgqaCkhd9O3m_zByd-d_B0eSh3yy4RqOeO8gjlAZeUlvMg/w640-h242/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20101655%20Koeppel.png" width="640" /></a></div>From "Jewish Family Names and Their Origins<br />An Etymological Dictionary<br />By <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sxsrf=AJOqlzWVC_p8UPUDyL0AAo_AGtb243Npjw:1673892845774&q=inauthor:%22Heinrich+Walter+Guggenheimer%22&tbm=bks">Heinrich Walter Guggenheimer</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sxsrf=AJOqlzWVC_p8UPUDyL0AAo_AGtb243Npjw:1673892845774&q=inauthor:%22Eva+H.+Guggenheimer%22&tbm=bks">Eva H. Guggenheimer</a> · 1992<br /> <br />The only document about the origins of the Kappel family was my grandfather Rudolph Kapple’s death certificate my family had since his death in the 1970s. It stated he was born in Australia so for a long time I was thinking about starting my research there.</div><div><br /></div><div> <br /><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgD5pqJ-ZNGP0zNhEvV6hGbhe9yo-JSjI_SI-dzlF86By6sjgtJBMaS_xPhrAHJxoNonBGu8sYQVBGZTVfUSJtiPuxi7K2BoyOssAA-ARUG1r0g4F5CDXxZcNpyT2zLyvj_YOxxKTPu-4v8YH5wvB469iptAT6zTfgOLv2Wq0VReLdFS2ocOMsJtLc8pQ/s892/Rudolph%20Kapple%20death%20certificate.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="512" data-original-width="892" height="230" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgD5pqJ-ZNGP0zNhEvV6hGbhe9yo-JSjI_SI-dzlF86By6sjgtJBMaS_xPhrAHJxoNonBGu8sYQVBGZTVfUSJtiPuxi7K2BoyOssAA-ARUG1r0g4F5CDXxZcNpyT2zLyvj_YOxxKTPu-4v8YH5wvB469iptAT6zTfgOLv2Wq0VReLdFS2ocOMsJtLc8pQ/w400-h230/Rudolph%20Kapple%20death%20certificate.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><br />For many years I didn’t have time to pursue our family history. I asked my family repeatedly over the years about the origins of the Kappel family. My grandmother decided to write to family in Chicago and ask about where her ex-husband was born. She learned he was actually born in Graz, Austria, not Australia. I was fascinated by that. The possibility of Jewish origins was not denied or confirmed by the family in Chicago. <br /><br />Since the family was said to have been from Austria I wondered what happened to relatives during WWII. How did the Holocaust affect our family? Since the name Kappel can be Ashkenazi were they placed in concentration camps? <br /><br />I began my research in 1998 by visiting a Family History Center for the first time. This initial visit didn’t produce any additional information. I did come away with some suggestions regarding what records might contain the information I was looking for. It took me a few months to learn more about the family. I also checked many books out of several libraries on how to do genealogy research. The book<a href="https://archive.org/details/mysixteenselfhel00marl/page/n3/mode/2up"> “My Sixteen : A Self-Help Guide to Finding Your Sixteen Great-Great Grandparents”</a> by Robert Marlin was the most helpful describing how to research more recent immigrants. I went out to the Central Library in Los Angeles and viewed my first census record on microfilm. I had to use a soundex reel , which is an index to the films. At that point I discovered my great-grandparents spelled their name Kappel, and not Kapple like my grandparents. My grandfather was confirmed to have been born in Austria.</div><div><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9nVHBcZRecTWn5fiRjAoRYInYuQ86r8hl40bjgGxRZNcehlpEADwHH02Gq-XE7pt6OG0rPOeWnpBHbFu3uW2WVflmPsGDXEPgAqNujhsGRc9-5tLYSu3jAAxztRGPxcij-vbwm04pOkjwjqkjzqPhgxnO2y1s9b5idA1CZT1lcPB9-6gkQU7cKwoG5w/s1384/Screenshot_20230115_111323.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="637" data-original-width="1384" height="184" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9nVHBcZRecTWn5fiRjAoRYInYuQ86r8hl40bjgGxRZNcehlpEADwHH02Gq-XE7pt6OG0rPOeWnpBHbFu3uW2WVflmPsGDXEPgAqNujhsGRc9-5tLYSu3jAAxztRGPxcij-vbwm04pOkjwjqkjzqPhgxnO2y1s9b5idA1CZT1lcPB9-6gkQU7cKwoG5w/w400-h184/Screenshot_20230115_111323.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">This is the 1920 Census for Chicago, Cook County, Illinois. That was the most recent census available at the time</td></tr></tbody></table><div><br /></div><div><br />After researching census records, I searched indexes for naturalization records, also on microfilm. I ordered copies of my great-grandparents' naturalization records from several court systems. From those records I discovered exactly where the family came from. They actually came from Inzenhof, Burgenland, Austria. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivF8bQyAyyvedFmBQMTpkaXiXpkoSBr_W9o0V-Vr9ox62BuBXLUyyXDLN3zBlk2gZByrJEd0VCH6XTwhl5H5OLAHTaVxZi46TuZu7-wMw6a3cpm8kZam-C-gJ67oojwKBJUpCmg4dMWB-uNycamCgy9OrNk6D1Jn5mpnkddcSE4S1Fp3z_yDwUwE2mZQ/s1293/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20104348%20Frank%20Kappel%20nat.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="700" data-original-width="1293" height="216" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivF8bQyAyyvedFmBQMTpkaXiXpkoSBr_W9o0V-Vr9ox62BuBXLUyyXDLN3zBlk2gZByrJEd0VCH6XTwhl5H5OLAHTaVxZi46TuZu7-wMw6a3cpm8kZam-C-gJ67oojwKBJUpCmg4dMWB-uNycamCgy9OrNk6D1Jn5mpnkddcSE4S1Fp3z_yDwUwE2mZQ/w400-h216/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20104348%20Frank%20Kappel%20nat.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>My grandfather was not born in Inzenhof, Austria. Where he was born continued to be a mystery for over a decade. Passenger lists, and his mother's naturalization, stated he was born in Hort, Austria. I was never able to identify this place until recently, when civil registration and Austrian church records became available online. He was born in an area where his aunt Rosalia lived. His mother was visiting relatives in Hart, Austria when he was born, as I discovered in church and civil registration records. Hart is in Styria, Austria not far from Graz where Chicago relatives said he was born. </div><div> </div><div>It was a part of Hungary before WWI. I then began researching Burgenland on the internet and found a group called <a href="https://www.the-burgenland-bunch.org/homepage.htm">The Burgenland Bunch</a> was doing extensive research on families in Burgenland and research on the history of the area.</div><div><br />The goal of learning about where my family was from was reached. I was able to even visit the area in 2018. Doing research in church and civil registration records for Burgenalnd, Austria I also discovered the family was Catholic for generations. The name was actually spelled Köppel in the old records. Looking at the local war memorial I found family surnames, which points to the fact the family fought on the German side in WWII.</div><div><br /></div><div>Over a decade passed before I was able to begin DNA testing. I was able to start DNA testing in 2013 when this testing became more affordable. </div><div><br />Autosomal DNA testing suggests the Kappel/Köppel side of my family is an ethnic mixture of Germanic and Eastern European with a trace amount of Jewish Ancestry.</div><div><br /></div><div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgxhUOl3ROMYeVIFO2JdLq5iq1NvrtxwKr5XA-xNyjd-aXz8gPa5NYY0mOaoUU9zW6VoPGuUun6v6pytruP4YnlFbMhwiikZ3iBvldhw9qPjqjS7Zig8jeCtRxdJnQW3MG9m0702XvqZbqVVMeipJZ5jTZU-fkjr3jbXIlyHwkHV2emD2TyiPGxmUJjyQ/s1457/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20084250%20Ashkenazi.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="642" data-original-width="1457" height="176" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgxhUOl3ROMYeVIFO2JdLq5iq1NvrtxwKr5XA-xNyjd-aXz8gPa5NYY0mOaoUU9zW6VoPGuUun6v6pytruP4YnlFbMhwiikZ3iBvldhw9qPjqjS7Zig8jeCtRxdJnQW3MG9m0702XvqZbqVVMeipJZ5jTZU-fkjr3jbXIlyHwkHV2emD2TyiPGxmUJjyQ/w400-h176/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20084250%20Ashkenazi.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><br /><br />The Kappel male haplogroup is J2 or J-172 Haplogroup may also point to possible Jewish roots on the paternal direct line. <br /><br />A nephew of my great-grandmother Mary Kurta-Kappel died while serving in WWII on the German side in Finland. <br /><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcq1wYKvUGT94kQmUshIWEukxuGyAWcGY99NxGRT0cvlWAWsxqvSgJ7vRk28zJnHOcrz3g346ieM9qu5kC0kkyfW5w6Z7dSGinIXhQjxJis_Aej0xI6ZF3fdzy2ulY5eXLBDu-QdhoYkndPpDOatmcwLTn69wq0Y_uKPzteVNykXtQgGzZSsRzGfEnIQ/s1388/50e5c1c5b7c48cf3.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="458" data-original-width="1388" height="133" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcq1wYKvUGT94kQmUshIWEukxuGyAWcGY99NxGRT0cvlWAWsxqvSgJ7vRk28zJnHOcrz3g346ieM9qu5kC0kkyfW5w6Z7dSGinIXhQjxJis_Aej0xI6ZF3fdzy2ulY5eXLBDu-QdhoYkndPpDOatmcwLTn69wq0Y_uKPzteVNykXtQgGzZSsRzGfEnIQ/w400-h133/50e5c1c5b7c48cf3.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">The death of Mary's nephew Joseph during WWII in Finland is recorded in the church book for Hart. </td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div>After researching the family for years I wanted to see pictures of my great-grandparents and their family. My family didn’t have any photos of Frank Kappel and Mary Kurta. I reached my goal too.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9A8E7HarNfvbhyGg0OL2FcF5Ia7xoVv5RjPRG_ilyjRmrRY5xneXy8CGCUU7-NBYZSffIFddEtRrTrryMIriACFHP63VPkxyrm6fElax-uXYUKnCvCsjVkKqIKOjwqAdwMTnS1ZMxxWWUIY0ZpbB92ufYaE-84ipB94HaaPZFlbAC9-B5ZP2KDJv4jg/s4032/Kappel%20Family%20in%20Inzenhof.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9A8E7HarNfvbhyGg0OL2FcF5Ia7xoVv5RjPRG_ilyjRmrRY5xneXy8CGCUU7-NBYZSffIFddEtRrTrryMIriACFHP63VPkxyrm6fElax-uXYUKnCvCsjVkKqIKOjwqAdwMTnS1ZMxxWWUIY0ZpbB92ufYaE-84ipB94HaaPZFlbAC9-B5ZP2KDJv4jg/s320/Kappel%20Family%20in%20Inzenhof.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><i>Answers to questions: They were mixed ethnically with likely some Jewish ancestry far back in time. They were from Inzenhof in today's Austria. My grandfather Rudolph was born in Sytria, Austria while his mother was visiting family. </i></div><div><br /></div><div><h3 style="text-align: left;">Forgey Questions and Answers</h3><div><br /></div><i>Questions: What was the origin of the Forgey surname and what did Isis Browning-Forgey die of? </i></div><div><br />After my success with the Kappel family I decided to research the origins of the unusual surname Forgey. A distant cousin wrote a book about the family which another cousin sent us. He came to the conclusion the surname was French. There had been a debate in the family about whether the name was Scottish or French. My grandfather thought it was Scottish, which I always went with.</div><div><br /></div><div>Y-DNA testing seems to confirm Scottish origins of the direct male Forgey line with no French matches and many Scottish and Scots-Irish matches. The name likely is a variant of the surname Ferguson. Fergie is a nickname for the surname Ferguson. In Scotland the surname Forgey is generally spelled Forgie. One of the Forgey Y earliest matches was a man with the surname Forgie.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhwr_b2xRB0RRBqdJDW0V5ah3hwoEhWMU0DAla2Nm0Y02l9Eh7VsZHqrs4QLu2MeIQo8kjubKygEyvCg5gcbbGDLAxoWfMTCcYIpVEqiZFpFhkJGw85nCtcrmAkyPVbp84O39niycJhvZC8xudtMMgKSjLkLgpVsHmCQQanOvKGhJ6Zo1C7XFkwo1bweA/s607/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20112508%20forgey%20dna%20project.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="512" data-original-width="607" height="270" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhwr_b2xRB0RRBqdJDW0V5ah3hwoEhWMU0DAla2Nm0Y02l9Eh7VsZHqrs4QLu2MeIQo8kjubKygEyvCg5gcbbGDLAxoWfMTCcYIpVEqiZFpFhkJGw85nCtcrmAkyPVbp84O39niycJhvZC8xudtMMgKSjLkLgpVsHmCQQanOvKGhJ6Zo1C7XFkwo1bweA/s320/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20112508%20forgey%20dna%20project.png" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div><div style="text-align: center;"> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh11Xj-dSdC85T5BRmCe_WWOvsy71fsH9xFpmAZ2RQCZaknW5HOELqBxAxrvNXRSyMBm1JoZAuK03kTztqNbTm9bku-P9qHVov6ttd_Gib-MlbwKrKtm0lvGWmhhbLL-rA02ApDyXSZujYRqA-lAghjxV1C2ZYlp8f8dWzgbyskxMGoGZ8kncXaC-ZK0Q/s767/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20111408%20matches.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="767" data-original-width="662" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh11Xj-dSdC85T5BRmCe_WWOvsy71fsH9xFpmAZ2RQCZaknW5HOELqBxAxrvNXRSyMBm1JoZAuK03kTztqNbTm9bku-P9qHVov6ttd_Gib-MlbwKrKtm0lvGWmhhbLL-rA02ApDyXSZujYRqA-lAghjxV1C2ZYlp8f8dWzgbyskxMGoGZ8kncXaC-ZK0Q/w173-h200/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20111408%20matches.png" width="173" /></a></div></div><br />Our Forgey family is now in the Big Y Project at Family tree DNA and we have our own SNP <a class="yf-root" style="background: rgb(246, 200, 0); border-radius: 1px; border: 1px solid rgb(246, 200, 0); color: #363636; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 1px 3px; white-space: nowrap;">I-BY19896</a> for our Forgey family.</div><div><br />Another mystery for my family on the Forgey side was regarding the death of my great -grandmother Isis Browning-Forgey. She died in her 30s when her children were young. My grandfather never talked about the cause of her death. My mother thought maybe it was due to childbirth. I ordered her death certificate and it turned out she died of Tuberculosis.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjzhZFEnzn19qPJANGXI35tghU0KgjQFEWylfWD-MeE6B0-vbJWf-sDDpYwaas9xgv4yo8DN7m8-32oPOrGzzokkHywqdv2iB9RQkIRW4hvP6JU4cXh4Tt77q6F5TzhrP_-rbqUffMtvni33BZZAN0JUkrO_A2jsRZG-Kn5dql06XVcnUKmHFbwmo2WUQ/s4191/Isis%20Browning%20death%20darker.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2959" data-original-width="4191" height="226" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjzhZFEnzn19qPJANGXI35tghU0KgjQFEWylfWD-MeE6B0-vbJWf-sDDpYwaas9xgv4yo8DN7m8-32oPOrGzzokkHywqdv2iB9RQkIRW4hvP6JU4cXh4Tt77q6F5TzhrP_-rbqUffMtvni33BZZAN0JUkrO_A2jsRZG-Kn5dql06XVcnUKmHFbwmo2WUQ/s320/Isis%20Browning%20death%20darker.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div><i>Answers: The surname Forgey appears to be a variant of the surname Ferguson and the family had Scottish and Scots-Irish roots. Isis Browning-Forgey died of Tuberculosis. </i></div><div><i><br /></i><h3 style="text-align: left;">Mason Question and Answer</h3><div><br /></div><div><i>Question: Where did the Mason family live before they lived in Chicago, Illinois? </i></div><div><br /></div> I was also looking into my grandmother’s Mason line. I had asked my grandmother if the Mason’s always lived in Chicago. She said they didn’t but didn’t say where else they lived? Doing research on this line I found out they actually lived in Mattoon, Illinois before moving to Chicago in the early 1900s. I was told the Mason’s were originally from Quebec, Canada. I was surprised my grandmother’s paternal grandmother’s surname was Owens. Mary E. Owens was born in Ohio. I decided to do some research on her family. I didn’t know until then that my father had any ancestry going back to colonial America until researching the Owens family. I thought they all immigrated to the United States in the 19th Century. <br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjo7zYOMJoFtpFiWOUW3HogmAI83cRV_PfvigcEtPf5zCb1I4E8h_pw6IqJwPbSHgKBjEsLNz1_YPFK5_6Qu9CCW5kAI-SOUoP-BhymTFXOgoT3owT1JefssbJupdadqMN0CHUzBYwEZMVlmDq6iGCjA7mcF76U47i1R326sD21zFL0ZugRitMJ5zwoxg/s630/Marriage%20license%20Peter%20and%20Mary%20Mason.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="624" data-original-width="630" height="317" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjo7zYOMJoFtpFiWOUW3HogmAI83cRV_PfvigcEtPf5zCb1I4E8h_pw6IqJwPbSHgKBjEsLNz1_YPFK5_6Qu9CCW5kAI-SOUoP-BhymTFXOgoT3owT1JefssbJupdadqMN0CHUzBYwEZMVlmDq6iGCjA7mcF76U47i1R326sD21zFL0ZugRitMJ5zwoxg/s320/Marriage%20license%20Peter%20and%20Mary%20Mason.JPG" width="320" /></a></div><br /><br /><br />Mary E. Owens' family turned out to be very fascinating going back to John Owens who was an Indian trader in Pennsylvania. <br /><br /><i>Answer: They lived in Mattoon County, Illinois before Chicago. The Mason line went back to Quebec, Canada and the Owens line traced back to Ohio, Kentucky, and colonial Pennsylvania. The Owens family may have originally come from Ireland? </i></div><div><i><br /></i><h3 style="text-align: left;">Del Castillo Questions and Answers</h3><div><br /></div><div><i>Questions: was my great-grandfather Nicasio del Castillo a lawyer in Nicaragua? Was a cousin of my grandmother Graciela del Castillo a diplomat and did live in France and Beverly Hills California? How did Isis Forgey, granddaughter of Isis, die? </i></div><div><i> </i></div>My mother said her grandfather was a lawyer in Nicaragua and a cousin was a diplomat who traveled extensively and lived for a time in France. I wanted to verify that information. <br /><br />My family called one of my grandmother Graciela del Castillo's cousin's padrino, or godfather. He was actually a cousin of my grandmother, according to a will she wrote. His name was Francisco Alvarado. My mother said he had a ranch in his native Nicaragua, but also lived in France and Beverly Hills, California. I was able to confirm all of the information she told me, except one piece of information. </div><div><br /></div><div>Below is a collection of passenger list information. He is listed as a Consul in these records. He does make a number of trips to Nice, France where he met his wife. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEje-s98LUKYoqUCWyFOYL6pnjHofAgW_rPy916MPZPXjtkEjq9l3MY6I3ANtul3ohjyVTuT_PIrOLrFaV7F4auOY1R1B3khuIZgs6I7Sl3C6asOnZ5AWhct6rHtobQ-pDWzZFh7kxoYWrpXr5Ynox-slrbNlXBT0OvXWGzojh3rszPAwwBii9L41VPmVg/s1280/Slide5.JPG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="720" data-original-width="1280" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEje-s98LUKYoqUCWyFOYL6pnjHofAgW_rPy916MPZPXjtkEjq9l3MY6I3ANtul3ohjyVTuT_PIrOLrFaV7F4auOY1R1B3khuIZgs6I7Sl3C6asOnZ5AWhct6rHtobQ-pDWzZFh7kxoYWrpXr5Ynox-slrbNlXBT0OvXWGzojh3rszPAwwBii9L41VPmVg/w640-h360/Slide5.JPG" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I was able to find Francisco Alvarado in the 1950 Census where he is listed as living in Beverly Hills, which answers that question. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOQvCHTgxt8aJqcbb2GfkHmD4ehnn7gsyko05vqXXEe_YOK_bDAOi_D4mm25kOr4IwUTUGA9JYzC_N287q7joWvW0r-ZheiovocUBoXQiZwuEbjo75yVDB4YetSOTHdaEVcrJmhWps5IAyEXpu9PeYGXnH3kY1S80R1j_B8qyubDQ5ZUBEmhet-vF4uA/s832/Screenshot%202023-01-17%20114520%201950%20Census%20Francisco%20Alvarado.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="531" data-original-width="832" height="204" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOQvCHTgxt8aJqcbb2GfkHmD4ehnn7gsyko05vqXXEe_YOK_bDAOi_D4mm25kOr4IwUTUGA9JYzC_N287q7joWvW0r-ZheiovocUBoXQiZwuEbjo75yVDB4YetSOTHdaEVcrJmhWps5IAyEXpu9PeYGXnH3kY1S80R1j_B8qyubDQ5ZUBEmhet-vF4uA/s320/Screenshot%202023-01-17%20114520%201950%20Census%20Francisco%20Alvarado.png" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">My mother said Francisco also met with FDR. I have not been able to verify that. </div><div><br />From the Census for Granada, Nicaragua and Civil Registration records I confirmed the del Castillo family was indeed involved in the legal profession for generations. In 1882 it looks like Nicasio del Castillo was training to become an attorney like his father Francisco del Castillo. Nicasio is listed as a clerk and later meets qualifications for his career. </div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_NAw4--AKiv-I0VyNJ_hNuCHEBBDfwwKktfKZbbeglZATyZT3D1lydDbAcPXEauxCZhWkC2k-aNlh3Wh_76ZwO94BTrmjAyHluFedZclyA60oPyJaXGFxPR2SiHlJmbfzVKUCavoT4Jc9CfhzGIVRkFFK7AYjwwC6OCdMtnx7hmzgHxHBxTEC7YHmiw/s2954/e8cfc2e2-faff-4f89-b507-9c75ff3bd960.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2954" data-original-width="2283" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_NAw4--AKiv-I0VyNJ_hNuCHEBBDfwwKktfKZbbeglZATyZT3D1lydDbAcPXEauxCZhWkC2k-aNlh3Wh_76ZwO94BTrmjAyHluFedZclyA60oPyJaXGFxPR2SiHlJmbfzVKUCavoT4Jc9CfhzGIVRkFFK7AYjwwC6OCdMtnx7hmzgHxHBxTEC7YHmiw/s320/e8cfc2e2-faff-4f89-b507-9c75ff3bd960.jpg" width="247" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsklyhlmJTMdSnQ_TzNOivgDY8lJUFrhbPcur-uYxV9akykmZbStrwSqjAzLN2FTxi6qTk0l6Hpc9x1f5UeuqevgRIaOG9Qboqhp7PKDrzEmz7h2aUjyCBSHmE5q9HLWtKoJGincchIqRm49RWKbTJqUEjwANa17hbkAQcPzKIBOwhfajnxUNnVlequw/s1075/Nicasio%20Del%20Castillo%20Granizo%201888%20List%20of%20Qualifications_.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="558" data-original-width="1075" height="166" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsklyhlmJTMdSnQ_TzNOivgDY8lJUFrhbPcur-uYxV9akykmZbStrwSqjAzLN2FTxi6qTk0l6Hpc9x1f5UeuqevgRIaOG9Qboqhp7PKDrzEmz7h2aUjyCBSHmE5q9HLWtKoJGincchIqRm49RWKbTJqUEjwANa17hbkAQcPzKIBOwhfajnxUNnVlequw/s320/Nicasio%20Del%20Castillo%20Granizo%201888%20List%20of%20Qualifications_.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div>Below we see Nicasio's father is described as a notary and attorney. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi87GhtBDl484-ybxBNAjUz6wkpV02lJjVsKu9X01Kp_oT1l6wlMl5F8cmLm3rqYnhProVLSLP155TjInJ84KwghybyPPFj_UY8kDjleYzrMKwsJvWg2CNZNgbjT0i1h8kqhLC8bRUC3p-DhZ90g5X3xJAH1F3A5LQGIcjLfvA3yeEBfRkzZdyB703Xbw/s1426/Francisico%20del%20Castillo%20described%20as%20abogado%20y%20notario.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="803" data-original-width="1426" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi87GhtBDl484-ybxBNAjUz6wkpV02lJjVsKu9X01Kp_oT1l6wlMl5F8cmLm3rqYnhProVLSLP155TjInJ84KwghybyPPFj_UY8kDjleYzrMKwsJvWg2CNZNgbjT0i1h8kqhLC8bRUC3p-DhZ90g5X3xJAH1F3A5LQGIcjLfvA3yeEBfRkzZdyB703Xbw/s320/Francisico%20del%20Castillo%20described%20as%20abogado%20y%20notario.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div>My maternal grandparents Charles Forgey and Graciela del Castillo lost a daughter named after her paternal grandmother in Nicaragua. Their daughter Isis Forgey died as an infant of a gastro-intestinal disorder. My mother had thought she died of a broken neck. The family had a photo taken of her after she died and maybe her head slumped to one side?</div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiq1tmIxg1M4HwpQdxZq5hRkehqN5m1qhLXKyz35fPgu8oAHLsf1tn4EbAZFG3Auktd5KRuc0-vnySg1Lcm_27iTwaWbLevBFIWHhK8hZgQHgDCH__SjtvRouuNQ2r9K1PTWwLT0QR_do4Dk4tZczRoeW39Fk6aq0Ee4OAgpn_LL-Byu90Hbf-WYTZBaA/s1563/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20131055%20Isis%20Forgey%20death%20nicaragua.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="945" data-original-width="1563" height="193" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiq1tmIxg1M4HwpQdxZq5hRkehqN5m1qhLXKyz35fPgu8oAHLsf1tn4EbAZFG3Auktd5KRuc0-vnySg1Lcm_27iTwaWbLevBFIWHhK8hZgQHgDCH__SjtvRouuNQ2r9K1PTWwLT0QR_do4Dk4tZczRoeW39Fk6aq0Ee4OAgpn_LL-Byu90Hbf-WYTZBaA/s320/Screenshot%202023-01-16%20131055%20Isis%20Forgey%20death%20nicaragua.png" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: left;"><i>Answers: Francisco del Castillo was a consul in France. It appears he also lived in Beverly Hills. The del Castillo family was involved in the legal system in Nicaragua for several generations. My maternal grandparents daughter Isis Forgey died of a gastro-intestinal disorder in Managua, Nicaragua. </i></div><div style="text-align: left;"><i><br /></i></div><h3 style="text-align: left;">Mullen/Huvane</h3></div><div><br /></div><div><i>Question: What was the origin of the surname Huvane and where did the Mullen/Huvane family live in Galway, Ireland?</i><br /><br />After the death of my great-great aunt Sister Mary Kathleen (Bridget Mullen) I learned more about the Irish side of my paternal grandmother’s family in the early 1900s. My father said my great-grandmother came from Cork, Ireland. I learned from the funeral service for Sister Mary Kathleen that the family was from Galway. I also learned the maiden name of my great-great grandmother was Huvane. Huvane being an unusual name I decided to research that name. I wasn’t sure if that name was even spelled correctly?<br /><br />It wasn’t until I began the Kappel research and began using the internet that I Googled Huvane and discovered that yes there was such a name, it was Irish, and there were people by this surname living in the United States. I contacted someone doing research on the family and learned more about the possible origins of the surname. According to an Irish Family History Center specialist the name is a variant of the surname Hoban. Our family had thought the name may have been Spanish, going back to the Armada. <br /><br />Since the surname Huvane, most often spelled Huane in Ireland, is an uncommon surname I was able to easily find the marriage record for my great-great grandparents Patrick Mullen and Mary Huane. The townland they lived in was recorded on their marriage record. Using Griffiths Valuation I was able to locate their land. I’ve visited their townland Pollaturick in 2019.</div><div><br /></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgW7NLVjXMZ2bGJcrJwtUOAeS4KxmfmOSkKzNDNPDWgXVkNz4rN8zg1Nv1XEcgVmhVRId5zJuDWmWxT96tOge1PPOUqjUAhcZeTCD8Y812GtO6l2oyQ6TIeogqLE0laZ6jpCLSNJx4TJlnTwktJVmuO0mkUOJhhresxk9gze-uIY_qABOEM1lxjUnBPNw/s1140/Original%20Marriage%20record%20for%20Patrick%20Mullen%20and%20Mary%20Huvane.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="645" data-original-width="1140" height="226" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgW7NLVjXMZ2bGJcrJwtUOAeS4KxmfmOSkKzNDNPDWgXVkNz4rN8zg1Nv1XEcgVmhVRId5zJuDWmWxT96tOge1PPOUqjUAhcZeTCD8Y812GtO6l2oyQ6TIeogqLE0laZ6jpCLSNJx4TJlnTwktJVmuO0mkUOJhhresxk9gze-uIY_qABOEM1lxjUnBPNw/w400-h226/Original%20Marriage%20record%20for%20Patrick%20Mullen%20and%20Mary%20Huvane.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"></td></tr></tbody></table><i>Answers: Huvane/Huane is likely a variant of the surname Hoban and is an Irish surname and this surname is found in southern Co. Mayo, Ireland. My great-great grandparents lived in Pollaturick, Milltown, Tuam, Co. Galway, Ireland. </i><br /> </div><h4 style="text-align: left;">Questions that still need answers:</h4><div><ol style="text-align: left;"><li>Who were the parents of Sarah Campbell-Wray. </li><li>DNA Y testing needed to verify Browning line back to Maryland.</li><li>The 1926 Census for Ireland could answer some questions such as how many houses were on the lot the Mullens lived on, and what happened to Winifred Mullen the sister of my great-grandmother Mary Mullen-Mason?</li><li>I hope more family photos surface.</li><li>How did Fred Mason and Helen Mullen-Mason's son suffer burns leading to his death? </li></ol></div><div>As you can see I was only able to answer some of my questions when documents became available online and DNA testing became available. Sometimes it takes years to answer questions for reasons such as documents previously unknown surface. Also some records are only released for view after a certain number of years pass, such as the census. Researching Family History used to be a long, difficult process but it's getting easier, faster, and cheaper to research family history now because so many records are now online. </div><div><br /></div><div>Also, I wouldn't have been able to answer the questions my family had about our family without the help of other people. A big key to unlocking the answers has been collaborating with other researchers, and learning research techniques from them. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br />Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-64534386146286194622022-12-28T13:01:00.013-08:002022-12-28T13:16:17.582-08:00Browning Family Y Haplogroup Breakthrough/The Major Strength of 23andMe <p style="text-align: center;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgo5tCNwsARAeB-r20Uh-VdU4eEV4m724InOwV9eNscItdglsEORhxzhN2SwzCvDg8QPyoc-vSMmD9QgGQxmp_4mluWwMGY6Vk5Q2YkglSKfmWMpHKp0Kxqz3BwPp-sm2ApLDDdazR5VVvjOWmV1WoVKqt8oszVRttCI5NE7bST4e0p57KdytbGddn0gQ/s515/Screenshot%202022-12-28%20100329%20Browning.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="443" data-original-width="515" height="275" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgo5tCNwsARAeB-r20Uh-VdU4eEV4m724InOwV9eNscItdglsEORhxzhN2SwzCvDg8QPyoc-vSMmD9QgGQxmp_4mluWwMGY6Vk5Q2YkglSKfmWMpHKp0Kxqz3BwPp-sm2ApLDDdazR5VVvjOWmV1WoVKqt8oszVRttCI5NE7bST4e0p57KdytbGddn0gQ/s320/Screenshot%202022-12-28%20100329%20Browning.png" width="320" /></a></div><br /> <p></p><p>I do think Autosomal DNA testing is very helpful, but I actually feel more confident with Y DNA results when it comes to establishing relationships with more distant relatives. The fact Y DNA is only passed down to males through a direct line of male descent makes using this DNA test more difficult than the autosomal test which anyone can take and the results reflect all of our lines.</p><p>I'm a female so I've had to find males to test for lines I'm interested in. The autosomal test has been marketed much more than the Y and mtDNA tests. I don't believe people realize how useful the Y test is. This test can establish that men carrying a common surname are related. I have found I'm related to some of my autosomal matches through more than one family line, so this test isn't always helpful in proving how matches are related to you. </p><p>I've been looking at our family's 23andMe results daily now because this DNA test was offered as a premium during the recent PBS pledge drive in the United States. 23andMe is a great place to collect up family Y and mtDNA haplogroups, which can be helpful in proving a relationship between cousin matches (Family Tree DNA is also a place where you can find these haplogroups if your matches have taken these separate tests. haplogroup testing is performed at 23andMe at no additional charge and is included with your autosomal results.)</p><p>I've been researching my great-grandmother Isis Browning-Forgey's Browning line since 1999. This was the only family line I found when FamilySearch first went online in 1999. When I saw the family group sheets linked to my great-grandmother I assumed that our relationship to these ancestral lines had been proven. There was no documentation attached to them. I've been trying ever since then to find documentation. Basically over 20 years, and haven't found any documentation to prove our relationship to this family (the family group sheet below is from June 1999 when FamilySearch first went online. It first went online in late May, but it was very difficult to actually search because the servers were always busy.).</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMxQ1j7nfVYFx70Uy9tYVh2hV4nVqkvQtghjhDLvhnJalLhw5Q9kXGXaW_ZEf-B76wkFx9T-AVgx85FlXkMiY6XPwW-kq4NbUZ6kl_5eiyz7e941Ua0tzKFkYqvgbvPTCSJnCDMAlLzpRepIYZgDH0EdBhx4-wRZWZa97yLNyGPIJfRQxI50-cFZGjkQ/s1602/Screenshot%202022-12-28%20114128%20copy%20from%20June%201999%20Browning%20family%20group%20sheet.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="583" data-original-width="1602" height="232" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMxQ1j7nfVYFx70Uy9tYVh2hV4nVqkvQtghjhDLvhnJalLhw5Q9kXGXaW_ZEf-B76wkFx9T-AVgx85FlXkMiY6XPwW-kq4NbUZ6kl_5eiyz7e941Ua0tzKFkYqvgbvPTCSJnCDMAlLzpRepIYZgDH0EdBhx4-wRZWZa97yLNyGPIJfRQxI50-cFZGjkQ/w640-h232/Screenshot%202022-12-28%20114128%20copy%20from%20June%201999%20Browning%20family%20group%20sheet.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p><p>Yesterday I noticed we had a match with a woman who had the surnames Browning and McPike in her list of surnames. Checking her shared matches she appeared to be at least a 3rd cousin of a man carrying the surname Browning. Doing a little research on both of these matches I discovered they both appeared to descend from Nathan Browning and Obedience McPike, our common ancestral couple originally from Tennessee. They also both appear to descend from William Jefferson Browning, the brother of my Browning ancestor Richard Washington Browning, who were sons of Nathan and Obedience ( I wouldn't have been able to trace these matches without access to the 1950 Census). </p><p>Below you can see these 3rd cousins, on paper, share multiple autosomal segments with each other. Sharing multiple segments does suggest a valid fairly close relationship with matches. </p><p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh76RzgxrzWRhzxU8E5l6Gbhbiviv9_8LTwoK46tUYrz0rtNe0Kz8BnemtUQLAgAOseuE0bDdfAlT9dVQ50-T-C39EeGMGiEN6vXLJ6DjN1Z7bpGzQjo9fKaliO7U2Y512aJ7Cf54TyO0N3JjWm6b-Wk9jV7wEUp5w25HG6wfflP-NzCWu7PzRlx4cv-w/s843/Screenshot%202022-12-28%20092404%20multiple%20segments.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="843" data-original-width="647" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh76RzgxrzWRhzxU8E5l6Gbhbiviv9_8LTwoK46tUYrz0rtNe0Kz8BnemtUQLAgAOseuE0bDdfAlT9dVQ50-T-C39EeGMGiEN6vXLJ6DjN1Z7bpGzQjo9fKaliO7U2Y512aJ7Cf54TyO0N3JjWm6b-Wk9jV7wEUp5w25HG6wfflP-NzCWu7PzRlx4cv-w/s320/Screenshot%202022-12-28%20092404%20multiple%20segments.png" width="246" /></a></p><p>Our Nathan Browning is a proven son of Roger Browning of Greene County, Tennessee. Using naming patterns many researchers have surmised Roger was the son of Benjamin Browning of Maryland. Benjamin had a son named Roger who disappeared from Maryland records in the late 1700s and we believe he migrated to Tennessee. Roger of Tennessee's eldest son was named Benjamin which could be a clue to his father's name, because eldest sons were often named after the paternal grandfather. Of course Roger also had a son Nathan, our ancestor, and the name Nathan was also used by the Maryland Browning family. </p><p>The naming pattern is the only thing we have linking the Tennessee and Indiana Browning family with Maryland. A Maryland Browning descendant had taken the Y DNA test. Up until now I haven't found a male in our Tennessee line who has a Y DNA test result. Now we apparently have one at 23andMe. </p><p>The fact that our male Browning cousin matches us on the autosomal test is very helpful because it suggests there had been no break in the male line. I'm an administrator of a couple Y DNA projects at Family Tree DNA and have found non paternity events. It's good to have supporting evidence that a non paternity event hasn't occurred. If this Browning distant cousin had tested at Family Tree DNA a marker match would establish whether there was a non paternity event. 23andMe doesn't match markers. </p><p>Since we are only basing our link to the Maryland family based on a naming pattern we have been in search of documentation confirming our relationship. No such documentation has surfaced. Y DNA, at this point, appears to be the only way to establish a relationship between the Tennessee/ Indiana Brownings and the Maryland family. A couple Maryland Browning direct line males have taken the Y DNA test at Family Tree DNA and are in the Y Browning Surname group at FTDNA. </p><p>The Browning males in the surname group at Family Tree DNA are in the R-M269 Haplogroup which is the most common European male haplogroup. My heart skipped a beat a little when I saw our Browning matches haplogroup was R-U152. In order for there to be a chance of a relationship between these men they would have to be in the same haplogroup. As it turns out R-U152 is downstream of R-M269, meaning it's a more recent mutation and is a younger haplogroup. I believe in order to get this result at Family Tree DNA our matches would need more testing because the 37 marker test they took doesn't test for the SNP. It is very good that all these men share the haplogroup R-M269 but since it's such a common haplogroup we need a Browning male to take a marker test at Family Tree DNA to confirm they are really related. </p><p>The fact 23andMe provides both autosomal and haplogroup results is their biggest strength. If they provided markers that would be even more helpful. </p><p>If our distant cousin tested in another haplogroup, such as I for instance, the game would be over. Since he is in the right haplogroup, so far, the game is still on. </p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhd04G-5ddB8WE2Ru0Pp8bO4lEj_lT24xW2sNbaFwKjqakNSYpFIPFpIj01R_z11YXteJ0Bx6bMr6ez4qjcG_OlUdL0x2tjDFdFuErEdHqgBB-fCwNZObz8J7HvYmMnsjhIJroxE3kQ6bmLOZjtoZxdXgPphWZPQWL2chug27gWiZgISGwZP9rrAlz6Vg/s1400/Isis%20Minerva%20Browning.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1400" data-original-width="1000" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhd04G-5ddB8WE2Ru0Pp8bO4lEj_lT24xW2sNbaFwKjqakNSYpFIPFpIj01R_z11YXteJ0Bx6bMr6ez4qjcG_OlUdL0x2tjDFdFuErEdHqgBB-fCwNZObz8J7HvYmMnsjhIJroxE3kQ6bmLOZjtoZxdXgPphWZPQWL2chug27gWiZgISGwZP9rrAlz6Vg/s320/Isis%20Minerva%20Browning.jpg" width="229" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Isis Browning-Forgey my great-grandmother</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-34903349200235406142022-11-29T13:10:00.001-08:002022-11-29T13:17:55.027-08:00A PBS Genetic Genealogy Special/ +Are a bunch of shared small segments meaningful?A PBS pledge drive special featuring a genetic genealogist that all of those in the genetic genealogy community have been following for years and is well known to us has been airing on PBS. Diahan Southard hosted this PBS special called <a href="https://www.pbs.org/video/your-dna-secrets-revealed-sgqwzm/?fbclid=IwAR0MNyYtL7-CWA-B7nYq6lFKq3nR_XEq5D6Cg_habggkXMrYrpeU2c3xzfY">"Your DNA Secrets Revealed"</a>. It features people who took DNA tests and found unexpected, surprising, health, relationship, or ethnicity results. Some of those participating in this show are also well known to those in the genetic genealogy community such as Jerome Narramore. Hopefully Diahan's enthusiasm about DNA testing encouraged people to donate to PBS, so they might sponsor more shows like this, and motivate more people to consider testing. I have noticed a drop off in the number of matches my family has been getting and would love to see more people test. <h3 style="text-align: left;">What could a bunch of small segments shared mean? </h3><div>Every once in a while, looking at shared segments in chromosome browsers, I've discovered 5 or 6 small shared segments and wondered what the relationship with this match could be? I had heard that the more segments you share with someone the greater the likelihood the match is close as opposed to one large segment. </div><div><br /></div><div>There are several reasons why we might share a number of segments with a match including:</div><div><ol style="text-align: left;"><li>Endogamy, caused by ancestors who exclusively married within a small religious group or population group. </li><li>Being related to a match more than once. </li><li>False positive segments.</li><li>A close family relationship to your match. </li></ol><div>I'm finding matches that share 5 or 6 segments with me are close family. At least 2nd or 3rd cousin range. </div><div><br /></div><div>How do DNA companies define close relatives? The DNA testing companies generally place first cousins under close relatives, and sometimes 2nd cousins. Aunts and Uncles are also under close family. Extended family generally includes 2nd and 3rd cousins. The rest are under distant cousins. </div><div><br /></div><div>When I first saw a particular match, illustration below, in the chromosome browser I didn't know what our relationship was? Some of the segments are small and could have been false positive segments? The largest is 20 cMs. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWqs1fJcPlWo6XIsN2Vt29CAKKUzQSQzkpDKq111qh6vmzd4gnT20KoC3hSFL_5Oqrg9wxj4S_3ojKY1Qq8xxA46ceFr-ld0snactGmv_-PuSammBzWu2hEb1yLPM3bfRLi-eJ59u4ovAzSwznCVZKg2CJoSPqJ8R621FqQOxIe3YyJBvC4NoAXBrjKg/s1415/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20103906%20second%20cousin%20smaller%20segments.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="817" data-original-width="1415" height="231" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWqs1fJcPlWo6XIsN2Vt29CAKKUzQSQzkpDKq111qh6vmzd4gnT20KoC3hSFL_5Oqrg9wxj4S_3ojKY1Qq8xxA46ceFr-ld0snactGmv_-PuSammBzWu2hEb1yLPM3bfRLi-eJ59u4ovAzSwznCVZKg2CJoSPqJ8R621FqQOxIe3YyJBvC4NoAXBrjKg/w400-h231/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20103906%20second%20cousin%20smaller%20segments.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div>Could be a close cousin or a more distant cousin? My paternal aunt's results answered this question. She shares 16 larger segments with this shared match. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjO7fBbXvSbHXlXUsUtYyn_Qjp_QarqxXU5CYZ6evSNiB2kL4QpH3nB_Qy0Tl-7MG1W417CdGlDU3P9IUzwGgvoORBwifc7NlS-CX0hUaMjZr0zUqN34Bp6TLhcgfG2-7tfB4COvl1-MaaKPIZ-d6Incj5JfehwPrg74OjrQR_V4T1iOWxI7I3tX4EiVQ/s1278/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20104904%20aunts%20first%20cousin%20once%20removed.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="880" data-original-width="1278" height="275" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjO7fBbXvSbHXlXUsUtYyn_Qjp_QarqxXU5CYZ6evSNiB2kL4QpH3nB_Qy0Tl-7MG1W417CdGlDU3P9IUzwGgvoORBwifc7NlS-CX0hUaMjZr0zUqN34Bp6TLhcgfG2-7tfB4COvl1-MaaKPIZ-d6Incj5JfehwPrg74OjrQR_V4T1iOWxI7I3tX4EiVQ/w400-h275/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20104904%20aunts%20first%20cousin%20once%20removed.png" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I contacted this match and found out exactly how we are related. This family lives in Austria and I had an idea of how we were related but not on which line until I heard from his nephew. This tester was a 1rst cousin once removed of my aunt. This family had photos of our family we didn't have. One of our best cousin finds. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Not long ago this Austrian family uploaded their MyHeritage kits to FamilyTree DNA. I discovered one of my first cousins at FTDNA shared even more DNA with this match than my aunt. My cousin shares 533 cMs with this match and my aunt 450 cMs. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkdxYnjLkQ77hDWVo006gkpZSN28TItF4wQXslDSsZi7fk1_jBBfX4EQRshOE-o8YV78nWdY2lf8Uu4Csj-wMXD_Jfu-VXNaohqyAP5Z3-bazhSMZCQC5MHGmrjmfbWsL0lCJYiIOGPAyXaY5UpyAwhIhcxil53B8YS2FqtKblgyP8-0_GbxM3zjO_Tg/s1022/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20111129%20shared%20DNA%20segments%20cousin.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="882" data-original-width="1022" height="345" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkdxYnjLkQ77hDWVo006gkpZSN28TItF4wQXslDSsZi7fk1_jBBfX4EQRshOE-o8YV78nWdY2lf8Uu4Csj-wMXD_Jfu-VXNaohqyAP5Z3-bazhSMZCQC5MHGmrjmfbWsL0lCJYiIOGPAyXaY5UpyAwhIhcxil53B8YS2FqtKblgyP8-0_GbxM3zjO_Tg/w400-h345/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20111129%20shared%20DNA%20segments%20cousin.png" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Why do I only share 90 cMs with this same match? Looking at my Genome Mate Pro segment map. I see that I inherited DNA from my grandmother's French Canadian family instead of my Austrian family like my aunt and cousin on some of those segments.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVCWaikjEiTgxB9Wz-2wi686yTRKkfvuNJ_aqLn4rwcJ0GyL4weZLhT8oHNMBZn9OCjbAA6eZuAKHMY8tXQ7-hoa5NFbDGKOj8WRL55AmVSSK4u6UFanVmr3CdQ1-JmtZUMLbQJWeppu4_rEHFhn9bMSydG6Rd-ELp9hWaUqvY5le6PkHsQuCphnQ73w/s1574/Screenshot_20221129_112533.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="860" data-original-width="1574" height="219" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVCWaikjEiTgxB9Wz-2wi686yTRKkfvuNJ_aqLn4rwcJ0GyL4weZLhT8oHNMBZn9OCjbAA6eZuAKHMY8tXQ7-hoa5NFbDGKOj8WRL55AmVSSK4u6UFanVmr3CdQ1-JmtZUMLbQJWeppu4_rEHFhn9bMSydG6Rd-ELp9hWaUqvY5le6PkHsQuCphnQ73w/w400-h219/Screenshot_20221129_112533.png" width="400" /></a></div></div><div><br /></div><div>Four generations of our Austrian extended family have tested. Since I didn't share as many large DNA segments with the eldest member of the family, the uncle, I don't match with other members of this family. My cousin and aunt match all 4 generations. My first cousin is my aunt's nephew, not a child of hers, so he inherited his segments from his father, my uncle. They both match four generations of this family.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBRr73ur7NS3eNzxaD1PhCD9DB3FQsSWJ4JSBx1XauN0glfgJzqg8yZJ0PoPtf65o8UXE9lpgbKHo4AGTwl6ACUXtqxlR24bWwJnk39YZ-SxZXkPKPE_NV3V3WgA3bfyQ-malxF0YXG7jRIUQUsx7mqZ59pH6gUPlHK8NYVUTB24_aSaeYx_GlYRtpiw/s1226/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20114145%20cousin%20compare.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="731" data-original-width="1226" height="239" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBRr73ur7NS3eNzxaD1PhCD9DB3FQsSWJ4JSBx1XauN0glfgJzqg8yZJ0PoPtf65o8UXE9lpgbKHo4AGTwl6ACUXtqxlR24bWwJnk39YZ-SxZXkPKPE_NV3V3WgA3bfyQ-malxF0YXG7jRIUQUsx7mqZ59pH6gUPlHK8NYVUTB24_aSaeYx_GlYRtpiw/w400-h239/Screenshot%202022-11-29%20114145%20cousin%20compare.png" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>The uncle shared 16 segments with my aunt, but only 3 segments with his great-great-niece. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh60IAUpXlnmSWK7Yddvpmd09BrwpGoZ6QxOf4zfzKQG7wZg0hhvu0XXKXRBAhj2P3SY3xyD9BKFmMVUzJ7jaG2euG3ftpxVkFRVp40zaxfKNpMwS9Tn81_m4Z_ykknUX98t8UrseSjOxhWFFbDvEWAwvISVj301rx87cR3sXDSBESjANyhI5bPQzfHWA/s954/Screenshot_20221129_120444.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="715" data-original-width="954" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh60IAUpXlnmSWK7Yddvpmd09BrwpGoZ6QxOf4zfzKQG7wZg0hhvu0XXKXRBAhj2P3SY3xyD9BKFmMVUzJ7jaG2euG3ftpxVkFRVp40zaxfKNpMwS9Tn81_m4Z_ykknUX98t8UrseSjOxhWFFbDvEWAwvISVj301rx87cR3sXDSBESjANyhI5bPQzfHWA/s320/Screenshot_20221129_120444.png" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>A number of small segments can definitely be meaningful and, as in this case, the match is a member of our extended family. As we can see it's important to test older members of the family because younger members may not share enough DNA to show up in our results. Also testing as many family members as you can afford is very helpful because we all share different segments of DNA.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjrt0O9e96l9NydZ2wK_VCQk46Q8eqma59g9ofiK7ica5EadnezUNU4s9HGltzIlem551yQ63SAL9pndWRzVzy6OKSeeLDEn9z7ECmks2_tlfMDpq4nhz0dcKu-rQIrG3KjQyANPCJbfiKEVCiDur-6M8sJ8-ZcazmcOY_qTxq5HlXtmlJdw6ASPLTyaw" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img alt="" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjrt0O9e96l9NydZ2wK_VCQk46Q8eqma59g9ofiK7ica5EadnezUNU4s9HGltzIlem551yQ63SAL9pndWRzVzy6OKSeeLDEn9z7ECmks2_tlfMDpq4nhz0dcKu-rQIrG3KjQyANPCJbfiKEVCiDur-6M8sJ8-ZcazmcOY_qTxq5HlXtmlJdw6ASPLTyaw" width="320" /></a></div><br /><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6592153507467992076.post-61039392405390999802022-11-02T14:28:00.007-07:002022-11-02T14:51:04.906-07:00Using Ancestry.com LifeStory To Share Documents In A Timeline Format/Melvin Family Problems<p><br /></p><p>I'm finding that LifeStory at Ancestry.com family trees is a great way to share the documents and newspaper articles I've collected. You can use Google Chrome. or another print feature that allows you to save the story as a PDF on your computer. You can bind a number of ancestral stories together using a PDF binder app. </p><p>Since I have documents, articles, messages, saved in a number of places it is time consuming to access and information can get lost. I do have files on my computers for ancestral couples, but I haven't always been good about transferring information from downloads or flash drives to these file explorer folders. I decided to go through the 3 computers I have and my flash drives and attach my documents to ancestral life stories at Ancestry so I could easily review these documents in a timeline format. As I was doing this I found mistakes in my tree. I also found out I left out information which I have added. It was a very fruitful exercise.</p><p>I had forgotten about some discrepancies which I discovered again while reviewing the documentation in a timeline format. For instance below, my 5th great-grandfather, John Melvin appears to travel back and forth hundreds of miles in the early 19th century, when travel was slow and difficult. In 1810 he is living in Worcester County, Maryland, according to the 1810 Census. We then find John Melvin in Bracken County, Kentucky in 1812, many miles from Worcester Maryland. In 1814 we find John Melvin back in Maryland selling land with his wife Polly (see PDF below).</p><iframe height="500px" src="https://drive.google.com/file/d/16DnyOwj9_JrMl9eNq8AONHm5EogQqwlE/preview?usp=sharing" width="500">
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</iframe><div><br /></div><div>This discrepancy needs to be resolved. To do this I need to establish the John Melvin of Bracken County, Kentucky is actually the same man as the John Melvin in Worcester County, Maryland. </div><div><br /></div><div>John Melvin never left any information about exactly where he was born. The 1850 Census gives Maryland as his place of birth. John Melvin's children are listed below. The best way to establish exactly where the Melvin family came from is by researching his family members. All of the children state they were born in Maryland. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSW4XYhbCa8gW3uBxVAdeisnGfRiyRf6JdVWzwg7Hf4AT4k6ZaRlAW5kgOHxkZummzOG527cWHfoa5v7EjyPAATATRFkOEhMjgP9EmAci8k9DlF6hHm1cUa867y6Jphh8vssIeNyNLeIyq8xTebMLG_HJ8nJJ0dsn-HrZVUKeMHGybVR32SPaPmYTQvw/s442/Screenshot%202022-11-02%20144928%20melvin%20children.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="395" data-original-width="442" height="286" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSW4XYhbCa8gW3uBxVAdeisnGfRiyRf6JdVWzwg7Hf4AT4k6ZaRlAW5kgOHxkZummzOG527cWHfoa5v7EjyPAATATRFkOEhMjgP9EmAci8k9DlF6hHm1cUa867y6Jphh8vssIeNyNLeIyq8xTebMLG_HJ8nJJ0dsn-HrZVUKeMHGybVR32SPaPmYTQvw/s320/Screenshot%202022-11-02%20144928%20melvin%20children.png" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>I had never found a document that stated exactly where in Maryland the children were born? I began researching this line again and found a Civil War disability form for John W. Melvin at Fold3. I didn't think any of the Melvin children were in the right age range to serve in that war. John W. Melvin may have lied about his age in order to serve or the crossed out age on the form is his actual age and someone changed it in error to age 45. The age appears to have been recorded as 45, then 58, and then 45 again on the form. <div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhJQDGrCymLGiv4p8esKRYtl5JzfQF44qiAMGtbCWG6YYRfuHqtfdCd0RSoBYM4G28I2y7u7EQ3jK036fmwu7E9SAbM677GRLUjdsi-q2D6oWV9-RV_I6l417FjWGLZ9BksMw7th9rm19PsA4nvypa-P4YCSjZCbfOQqQ-x9eUq4TZ_hxsNp_2l-b4cg/s1467/John%20W.%20Melvin%20disability%20form.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="777" data-original-width="1467" height="233" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjhJQDGrCymLGiv4p8esKRYtl5JzfQF44qiAMGtbCWG6YYRfuHqtfdCd0RSoBYM4G28I2y7u7EQ3jK036fmwu7E9SAbM677GRLUjdsi-q2D6oWV9-RV_I6l417FjWGLZ9BksMw7th9rm19PsA4nvypa-P4YCSjZCbfOQqQ-x9eUq4TZ_hxsNp_2l-b4cg/w441-h233/John%20W.%20Melvin%20disability%20form.png" width="441" /></a></div><br /><div><br /><div>I have been able to confirm this is John W. Melvin of Bracken County, Kentucky. His wife applied for a widow's pension and she appears on the veterans' schedule for the 1890 Census in Bracken County, Kentucky. </div><div><br /></div><div>I feel confident that I have proven my Melvin family of Kentucky migrated from Worcester County, Maryland. Maybe John Melvin traveled to Bracken County, Kentucky before bringing his wife and children? I'm continuing to research this family in hopes of finding more documentation. </div><div><br /></div><div>I do like the LifeStory and how it presents my documentation and lays out a coherent story for my ancestors. It's a great way to share information we've collected and to refer back to this information while continuing research. Below is my grandfather Rudolph Kapple's LifeStory. I had forgotten about some of the information I collected about him before attaching information. </div><div><div><div><br /></div></div></div></div>
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</iframe><div><br /></div><div>Going through the documents in a timeline format has helped me find several gaps in my information. It's going to help improve my documentation for my tree. </div><div><br /></div><div>I've also downloaded the new version of <a href="https://www.rootsmagic.com/rootsmagic/">RootsMagic </a>and downloaded all of the information I just attached to the Ancestry.com tree to this program. I know for a fact, after losing some information from a computer crash, that you can't have too many backups. </div>Annettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03449882634469681649noreply@blogger.com0